Biden won, it's over --- The Election Thread

[CameronBornAndBred]

I doubt this was any last minute news to Barr.

Attorney General William Barr said Tuesday the Justice Department has not uncovered evidence of widespread voter fraud that would change the outcome of the 2020 presidential election.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/barr-no-evid ... 16984.html

He could've / should've brought this little tidbit up a couple weeks ago before the insanity of Trump's barrel of monkeys...I mean lawyers...was unleashed. But then again, this is from the same lackey who said that mail-in voting would be prone to be rife with fraud.

[ArkieDukie]

I doubt this was any last minute news to Barr.

Attorney General William Barr said Tuesday the Justice Department has not uncovered evidence of widespread voter fraud that would change the outcome of the 2020 presidential election.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/barr-no-evid ... 16984.html

He could've / should've brought this little tidbit up a couple weeks ago before the insanity of Trump's barrel of monkeys...I mean lawyers...was unleashed. But then again, this is from the same lackey who said that mail-in voting would be prone to be rife with fraud.

So ... does this mean Trump will now fire Barr for not being sufficiently loyal?

[CameronBornAndBred]

I doubt this was any last minute news to Barr.

Attorney General William Barr said Tuesday the Justice Department has not uncovered evidence of widespread voter fraud that would change the outcome of the 2020 presidential election.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/barr-no-evid ... 16984.html

He could've / should've brought this little tidbit up a couple weeks ago before the insanity of Trump's barrel of monkeys...I mean lawyers...was unleashed. But then again, this is from the same lackey who said that mail-in voting would be prone to be rife with fraud.

So ... does this mean Trump will now fire Barr for not being sufficiently loyal?

Or maybe Barr went to the White House with his resignation letter in his pocket. (To which Trump would say, "You can't quit, you're fired!")

[Furniture]

[CrazyNotCrazie]

Much of the problem with Trump is that there were a lot of behavioral norms that we always took for granted that he has completely abused. Rules weren't codified because no one ever thought there would be someone with the chutzpah to break them. So now we have to make sure that another Trump never happens again. But we also need to do so in a way that can't be completely weaponized.

Interestingly, I saw a reference to a bill that was introduced in the House in September called the Protecting our Democracy Act. Basically, it sets out many of Trump's abuses and tries to find ways to prevent them. I'm far from an expert in the workings of government and I think some of the solutions seem a lot more effective than others, but I'm glad this is on someone's radar. I am also not an expert in the legislative process so I'm not clear on next steps. I assume that if the Republicans maintain control of the Senate, this will be DOA.

https://intelligence.house.gov/uploaded ... _sheet.pdf

[Phredd3]

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But he doesn't actually read books. Should be a phone with Twitter open.

[Phredd3]

Much of the problem with Trump is that there were a lot of behavioral norms that we always took for granted that he has completely abused. Rules weren't codified because no one ever thought there would be someone with the chutzpah to break them. So now we have to make sure that another Trump never happens again. But we also need to do so in a way that can't be completely weaponized.

Interestingly, I saw a reference to a bill that was introduced in the House in September called the Protecting our Democracy Act. Basically, it sets out many of Trump's abuses and tries to find ways to prevent them.

I'm no expert in the legal structure of the government, either, but my take is that this is cannot be solved by legislation. Legislation can make it harder, but it was already pretty hard. It's important to remember that this was not a "Trump problem". Sure, Trump was the one who did things like outright defy Congressional document and testimony requests. But it was Congress who backed down from enforcing their own oversight authority. Yes, it was Trump who turned the DOJ, Homeland Security, and even the FDA and CDC into political weapons. But it was the Senate who confirmed the appointment who made that possible.

And why did Congress and Senators cave so easily? Because 70+ million voters essentially asked them to. Those voters were what was directly weaponized, both by Trump and by internet and media news that supported or amplified or even distorted it, but it was Trump who wielded them most effectively. That's the real problem that needs to be solved.

And I'll be darned if I have a clue how to fix that.

But as long as there are complicit parties within the government, no amount of legislation can solve this.

[Phredd3]

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But he doesn't actually read books. Should be a phone with Twitter open.

Can't delete or edit now, but coming back to this, please ignore. Was trying to make a joke and my brain substituted the actual picture for the words I was actually planning to use, which in retrospect were far less funny than the picture already is.

[CameronBornAndBred]

And why did Congress and Senators cave so easily? Because 70+ million voters essentially asked them to. Those voters were what was directly weaponized, both by Trump and by internet and media news that supported or amplified or even distorted it, but it was Trump who wielded them most effectively. That's the real problem that needs to be solved.

And I'll be darned if I have a clue how to fix that.

But as long as there are complicit parties within the government, no amount of legislation can solve this.

Hard to argue with that.

[CrazyNotCrazie]

Much of the problem with Trump is that there were a lot of behavioral norms that we always took for granted that he has completely abused. Rules weren't codified because no one ever thought there would be someone with the chutzpah to break them. So now we have to make sure that another Trump never happens again. But we also need to do so in a way that can't be completely weaponized.

Interestingly, I saw a reference to a bill that was introduced in the House in September called the Protecting our Democracy Act. Basically, it sets out many of Trump's abuses and tries to find ways to prevent them.

I'm no expert in the legal structure of the government, either, but my take is that this is cannot be solved by legislation. Legislation can make it harder, but it was already pretty hard. It's important to remember that this was not a "Trump problem". Sure, Trump was the one who did things like outright defy Congressional document and testimony requests. But it was Congress who backed down from enforcing their own oversight authority. Yes, it was Trump who turned the DOJ, Homeland Security, and even the FDA and CDC into political weapons. But it was the Senate who confirmed the appointment who made that possible.

And why did Congress and Senators cave so easily? Because 70+ million voters essentially asked them to. Those voters were what was directly weaponized, both by Trump and by internet and media news that supported or amplified or even distorted it, but it was Trump who wielded them most effectively. That's the real problem that needs to be solved.

And I'll be darned if I have a clue how to fix that.

But as long as there are complicit parties within the government, no amount of legislation can solve this.

Great point. Trump was largely enabled by Congress (which, as you noted, is enabled by his cult-like followers), as well as a DOJ that showed virtually no semblance of independence. Laws are only as good as the mechanisms in place to enforce them. This is why many people feel more comfortable when the president and congress are different parties. Still, even some minor changes around the edges could help, and I would be happy to have them.

[dudog]

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How old is this pic? He hasn't been that svelte in years!

[CameronBornAndBred]

Shocking news. Trump things Q Anon is good stuff.

As they discussed Georgia's Senate races, Trump brought up the QAnon-supporting soon-to-be congressmember Marjorie Taylor Greene. Trump mispronounced the name of the group as "Q-an-uhn," and then said supporters of the theory that purports Democrats are a cannibalistic, pedophilic cabal "basically believe in good government," people familiar tell the Post. Everyone reportedly went silent until White House Chief of Staff Mark Meadows mentioned he had "never heard it described that way," the Post reports.

Shocking! Shocking, I say!!

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-report ... 45374.html

[dudog]

This article was posted OY but paywalled. And I can't say this OY, but I will here.

THIS IS FLAT-OUT TREASON.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics ... li=BBnb7Kz

These MFs care nothing about this country. I will never look at a Republican, any Republican (including Joe Blowhard on the street), the same way again. And I have NEVER been a partisan Democrat, have never contributed to a candidate, have never volunteered for a candidate.

F 'em all.

[CameronBornAndBred]

This article was posted OY but paywalled. And I can't say this OY, but I will here.

THIS IS FLAT-OUT TREASON.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics ... li=BBnb7Kz

These MFs care nothing about this country. I will never look at a Republican, any Republican (including Joe Blowhard on the street), the same way again. And I have NEVER been a partisan Democrat, have never contributed to a candidate, have never volunteered for a candidate.

F 'em all.

I wouldn't go as far as to say treason, but I would say it's flat out disgusting, and hopefully it haunts at least some of them for the rest of their (again hopefully) short political lives. This country has never seen such blatant disregard for the founding principles that it was created upon before.

[dudog]

This article was posted OY but paywalled. And I can't say this OY, but I will here.

THIS IS FLAT-OUT TREASON.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics ... li=BBnb7Kz

These MFs care nothing about this country. I will never look at a Republican, any Republican (including Joe Blowhard on the street), the same way again. And I have NEVER been a partisan Democrat, have never contributed to a candidate, have never volunteered for a candidate.

F 'em all.

I wouldn't go as far as to say treason, but I would say it's flat out disgusting, and hopefully it haunts at least some of them for the rest of their (again hopefully) short political lives. This country has never seen such blatant disregard for the founding principles that it was created upon before.

They are refusing to accept the overwhelming vote of the citizens. By doing so, in their actions and words, they are actively inciting civil unrest.

I call that treason.

[dudog]

Another thing I can disagree with the prez about: Cucumbers!

Though I wonder what he uses them for.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics ... li=BBnb7Kz

[Furniture]

https://mobile.twitter.com/DrDenaGrayso ... 7345503236

Giuliani not feeling ver well...

[CameronBornAndBred]

https://mobile.twitter.com/DrDenaGrayso ... 7345503236

Giuliani not feeling ver well...

Think of ALL the people that asshat has been in close maskless contact during his "legal tour". It's no surprise that he's gotten it, it's even more surprising that it has taken this long.

I won't celebrate his illness, but Darwin says "duh".

[CrazyNotCrazie]

Jason is being a fascist OY by telling dudog he can't use the word fascist while others can use the word socialist. Fun times.

[Phredd3]

Jason is being a fascist OY by telling dudog he can't use the word fascist while others can use the word socialist. Fun times.

Yeah, that was nuts to issue an infraction in public like that. If you hate it that much, address it in private and outright delete the post. The response in public just fanned the smoldering embers that have been there since the election.

Personally, I feel like much of the election contest stuff is no more partisan that wearing a mask, and we see how that's gone. The votes are certified. There's nothing more to question. The safe harbor day is tomorrow, fer cryin' out loud! But one party just can't help but deny reality about...well, pretty much everything.