Biden won, it's over --- The Election Thread

[dudog]

Bob, agree with all of this. Your description fits me as well (although, to my father, I’m a d@mn liberal). And, I completely agree that the VP pick will be huge. Personally, I don’t think Hillary’s VP pick helped her at all, and I do think Palin hurt McCain.

Thanksgiving must be fun.

I disagree about Tim Kaine, Hillary's VP pick. We forget that Virginia was considered a swing state just a short time ago. Though it went for Obama twice, W had won it by 8 points in both 2000 and 2004. And Bubba had lost it twice, even to Bob Dole when he trounced him most everywhere else.

So Trump may have been the R's last hurrah. Changing demographics, and I know youngsters are a lot more liberal that I or my generation was. When Texas truly turns purple, when will the Rs ever have a President again?

I still don't understand why conservatives let a distinctly non-conservative person destroy their party. Very short sighted.

(not sure what that emoji is, I just wanted to use it)

[Wander]

Trump openly admitted that he intentionally slowed down medical testing during a global pandemic to make his political case look better. Think very hard about what this means. And this was not a spur of the moment thing - later he very precisely clarified he wasn't kidding. This alone is one of the most treasonous betrayals in American history and should be a clear impeachable offense. And it is ON VIDEO - no one has to rely on believing the "liberal media" or secondhand reporting.

But on the other hand, I saw some people on boats in Florida who like Trump, so I guess it's all equal.

[dudog]

re TikTok, which I have never seen until these links, it's not just the Tulsa rally but probably more because of Sarah Cooper:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics ... li=BBnb7Kz

If you are not familiar with her, click on a few of the links in the story. I especially recommend the 'Bible verses' and '5 words'. She will make your day.

[CrazyNotCrazie]

As for the Presidential Election, I don't see how Trump can come back from being so far down in the polls.

Emerson College (rated A- by 538) released a National Poll yesterday that shows Biden up by only 4 points 50 to 46 so I not sure how far down Trump really is.

https://emersonpolling.reportablenews.c ... lic-spaces

I’m in the minority that I believe Biden’s VP selection is going to be a factor. Do not underestimate the power of Racism. Once he selects a black women as his running mate the polls are going to tighten.

For the record, I am a Moderate Conservative, however I also believe Trump is a threat to our democratic society. He must be defeated on November 3.

Maybe it is just among us who follow this whole thing very closely, but the VP selection has been built up so much that I think it will make a difference. Biden is getting completely drowned out in the media by Trump. Most people are completely unaware that Biden has made a few fairly substantial speeches on his policy plans in the past few weeks (imagine that - speaking about policy plans?!?) Letting Trump get the perss has generally worked well for Biden, but I think it makes some people nervous. The VP choice will likely be one of the few times he gets the primary headline (unless Trump chooses that day to make a truly outrageous statement). So a lot of attention will be paid to it.

I am a moderate NYC Democrat. I am pretty happy with Biden as a candidate. And I am really not particularly enthused with any of the VP options. All of them have flaws that Trump can jump on. I think that committing to a woman so early was a mistake by Biden - if I recall, he didn't gain much from the announcement at the time, and he ruled out a lot of potential candidates. Whoever he picks, the Democrats needs to fully get behind the ticket. The Democratic party is very fractured and I am hoping the Bernie/Warren/AOC wing of the party doesn't disengage if a more moderate candidate is chosen. Personally, I think the winning strategy is to tell them to suck it up and vote for Biden with a moderate VP, knowing that this ticket is more appealing to the Republicans who have gotten fed up with Trump. If Biden goes too far left with his VP pick, the Republicans might not show up, because everyone is convinced this person is being annointed as the next president.

[ArkieDukie]

As for the Presidential Election, I don't see how Trump can come back from being so far down in the polls.

Emerson College (rated A- by 538) released a National Poll yesterday that shows Biden up by only 4 points 50 to 46 so I not sure how far down Trump really is.

https://emersonpolling.reportablenews.c ... lic-spaces

I’m in the minority that I believe Biden’s VP selection is going to be a factor. Do not underestimate the power of Racism. Once he selects a black women as his running mate the polls are going to tighten.

For the record, I am a Moderate Conservative, however I also believe Trump is a threat to our democratic society. He must be defeated on November 3.

Maybe it is just among us who follow this whole thing very closely, but the VP selection has been built up so much that I think it will make a difference. Biden is getting completely drowned out in the media by Trump. Most people are completely unaware that Biden has made a few fairly substantial speeches on his policy plans in the past few weeks (imagine that - speaking about policy plans?!?) Letting Trump get the perss has generally worked well for Biden, but I think it makes some people nervous. The VP choice will likely be one of the few times he gets the primary headline (unless Trump chooses that day to make a truly outrageous statement). So a lot of attention will be paid to it.

I am a moderate NYC Democrat. I am pretty happy with Biden as a candidate. And I am really not particularly enthused with any of the VP options. All of them have flaws that Trump can jump on. I think that committing to a woman so early was a mistake by Biden - if I recall, he didn't gain much from the announcement at the time, and he ruled out a lot of potential candidates. Whoever he picks, the Democrats needs to fully get behind the ticket. The Democratic party is very fractured and I am hoping the Bernie/Warren/AOC wing of the party doesn't disengage if a more moderate candidate is chosen. Personally, I think the winning strategy is to tell them to suck it up and vote for Biden with a moderate VP, knowing that this ticket is more appealing to the Republicans who have gotten fed up with Trump. If Biden goes too far left with his VP pick, the Republicans might not show up, because everyone is convinced this person is being annointed as the next president.

Agreed. In the end, though, I wonder how much it matters if he picks a more moderate VP. Trump and Faux News are already painting all Democrats as Socialists. This appears to be part of the strategy, and it will apply regardless of the selection.

[CameronBornAndBred]

re TikTok, which I have never seen until these links, it's not just the Tulsa rally but probably more because of Sarah Cooper:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics ... li=BBnb7Kz

If you are not familiar with her, click on a few of the links in the story. I especially recommend the 'Bible verses' and '5 words'. She will make your day.

She should get some kind of plaque or something to hang on her wall for having that much power.

"Pissed Off The POTUS, Got Social Media App Banned"

[CameronBornAndBred]

A look at how the two campaigns are approaching getting their messages out.

The Trump team sees an opening, plowing forward with front-line campaigning in key states as Joe Biden appears content to stay on the sidelines and hold small press events.
Biden's team feels this approach aligns with the former vice president's view on the virus and commitment to following federal guidelines on virus safety, helping distinguish him from the president, who has taken an uneven, dismissive and sometimes flippant approach.

Last weekend alone, as part of the Trump campaign's "100 Days Out Weekend," the Trump team held at least 70 events ranging from veteran outreach to voter registration drives from Mohave County, Arizona, to Madison, Maine, according to the Republican Party's public schedule.

https://www.yahoo.com/gma/trumps-defian ... ories.html

[Wander]

Maybe it is just among us who follow this whole thing very closely, but the VP selection has been built up so much that I think it will make a difference. Biden is getting completely drowned out in the media by Trump. Most people are completely unaware that Biden has made a few fairly substantial speeches on his policy plans in the past few weeks (imagine that - speaking about policy plans?!?) Letting Trump get the perss has generally worked well for Biden, but I think it makes some people nervous. The VP choice will likely be one of the few times he gets the primary headline (unless Trump chooses that day to make a truly outrageous statement). So a lot of attention will be paid to it.

I'm in the "VP selection probably won't matter too much" camp. In large part that is because of your parenthetical - every week, there is a big new Trump thing. The week of the VP announcement won't be any different.

The other reason I don't think it will matter too much is that the people he's realistically picking between aren't THAT different from each other. If we knew he was picking from a group of like, Bernie Sanders, Michelle Obama, Amy Klobuchar, and Mitt Romney, it would be a different story.

[CameronBornAndBred]

The other reason I don't think it will matter too much is that the people he's realistically picking between aren't THAT different from each other. If we knew he was picking from a group of like, Bernie Sanders, Michelle Obama, Amy Klobuchar, and Mitt Romney, it would be a different story.

That's likely true. The field had lots of differences, say if you compare Warren to Duckworth, but being reasonably certain that his "top 4" that he's considering this week likely doesn't include Warren you are are probably right in the similarities.
My guess is he is now just choosing someone that he feels he will best work personally with vs who brings the most politically to the table.

[Wheat/“/“/“]

Hello all...and thx CBB for the invite to participate. I’ve posted over on DBR over 20 years and have always spoken my mind and tried to be respectful to other posters, that will not change here.

I will be voting for Trump as of now, as much as I detest his character. I wish there was another choice, but Biden and The Democratic Party does not address the issues I care about. Trump does.

The overriding issue for me is he may be the last president capable of keeping the country from sliding into socialism. if we reach that tipping point, I’m afraid there is violence and revolution in this country’s future.

I’ll be happy to reply to anyone who wants to try and convince me to change my mind, or question my choice, as time permits.

[Furniture]

I am a naturalized American originally from the UK and I have lived in Germany and Holland. I also have also worked for a Swedish company for the last 32 years. So. Question for Wheat and others who think like him. If the US ends up with a society and government like many of these EU countries I mention is that considered “socialism “? Also is that really that bad? Perhaps when Trump and Wheat mention socialism are they talking about Russia or China and alike? My father visits the US every year and he thinks that is the greatest country in the world. But at the same time he questions why this country doesn’t have universal health care. One of the first things he does when he gets here is to organize his medication into his daily amounts. It’s a lot! You know how much he pays....Nada!

[Bluedog]

Emerson College (rated A- by 538) released a National Poll yesterday that shows Biden up by only 4 points 50 to 46 so I not sure how far down Trump really is.

https://emersonpolling.reportablenews.c ... lic-spaces

I’m in the minority that I believe Biden’s VP selection is going to be a factor. Do not underestimate the power of Racism. Once he selects a black women as his running mate the polls are going to tighten.

For the record, I am a Moderate Conservative, however I also believe Trump is a threat to our democratic society. He must be defeated on November 3.

Maybe it is just among us who follow this whole thing very closely, but the VP selection has been built up so much that I think it will make a difference. Biden is getting completely drowned out in the media by Trump. Most people are completely unaware that Biden has made a few fairly substantial speeches on his policy plans in the past few weeks (imagine that - speaking about policy plans?!?) Letting Trump get the perss has generally worked well for Biden, but I think it makes some people nervous. The VP choice will likely be one of the few times he gets the primary headline (unless Trump chooses that day to make a truly outrageous statement). So a lot of attention will be paid to it.

I am a moderate NYC Democrat. I am pretty happy with Biden as a candidate. And I am really not particularly enthused with any of the VP options. All of them have flaws that Trump can jump on. I think that committing to a woman so early was a mistake by Biden - if I recall, he didn't gain much from the announcement at the time, and he ruled out a lot of potential candidates. Whoever he picks, the Democrats needs to fully get behind the ticket. The Democratic party is very fractured and I am hoping the Bernie/Warren/AOC wing of the party doesn't disengage if a more moderate candidate is chosen. Personally, I think the winning strategy is to tell them to suck it up and vote for Biden with a moderate VP, knowing that this ticket is more appealing to the Republicans who have gotten fed up with Trump. If Biden goes too far left with his VP pick, the Republicans might not show up, because everyone is convinced this person is being annointed as the next president.

Agreed. In the end, though, I wonder how much it matters if he picks a more moderate VP. Trump and Faux News are already painting all Democrats as Socialists. This appears to be part of the strategy, and it will apply regardless of the selection.

Where would you put Bass, Harris, Duckworth, Rice on the moderate vs progressive side of things? Honestly, I have no idea and I pay somewhat close attention compared to most voters. I say this to suggest the narrative won't be very clear unless he picks someone like AOC, Bernie, Warren where their progressive/Democrat socialist stances are more well known by the masses. I'd think Biden's top VP candidates now as basically viewed as "mainstream Democrats."

Also as it relates to Biden choosing a black VP and how that might hurt/help his chances. Clearly, the black vote is why Biden is the nominee. He knows that. He needs them to turn out in major numbers. Plus, the Democratic party as a whole relies on that constituency and have made their stance on current racial unrest in this country very clear. I don't think many people considering voting with the Dems would be further turned off based on a black VP -- they would have already made that judgment based on all the other recent actions from the party. So, long story short, I personally think it helps him or is at least neutral. Of course, the other characteristics of his VP could impact things. And him NOT choosing a black VP would absolutely result in some backlash from some corners in his party, so there's that risk too.

[CameronBornAndBred]

Hello all...and thx CBB for the invite to participate. I’ve posted over on DBR over 20 years and have always spoken my mind and tried to be respectful to other posters, that will not change here.

I will be voting for Trump as of now, as much as I detest his character. I wish there was another choice, but Biden and The Democratic Party does not address the issues I care about. Trump does.

The overriding issue for me is he may be the last president capable of keeping the country from sliding into socialism. if we reach that tipping point, I’m afraid there is violence and revolution in this country’s future.

I’ll be happy to reply to anyone who wants to try and convince me to change my mind, or question my choice, as time permits.

Thanks for joining in. Can't promise you won't get bashed, but I can promise you won't get banned!
That socialism thing. I've seen SOOOOOO many of my conservative Facebook friends whip that out, and I swear they honestly have no idea what it actually means. (Not implying that you don't.) But like "Fascism" (which is bad), "Socialism" is a term that is randomly tossed about, and it seems that either side adopts or rejects it at whim, but at with whim with fury.
As in..."Those fucking socialists!!!!" Which, of course, Biden isn't, and nobody on his ticket will be.
Irony, several of the friends that I know that rail against those "socialists", literally live on medicare and government assistance. I am not making that up. If it weren't for "socialism", they would be 100% homeless, and likely dead. I will never understand how they got sucked in.

[CameronBornAndBred]

I am a naturalized American originally from the UK and I have lived in Germany and Holland. I also have also worked for a Swedish company for the last 32 years. So. Question for Wheat and others who think like him. If the US ends up with a society and government like many of these EU countries I mention is that considered “socialism “? Also is that really that bad?

Ding Ding Ding
Plus sporks.

PS...this is a great history lesson that anyone recently here from Over Yonder may appreciate. We even have a smilie to prove it.
While OY has pitchforks, DevilDeac thought they looked like sporks. And we here at CTN smilied that too.


So, even OY, complements are known as sporks.

[Wheat/“/“/“]

I am a naturalized American originally from the UK and I have lived in Germany and Holland. I also have also worked for a Swedish company for the last 32 years. So. Question for Wheat and others who think like him. If the US ends up with a society and government like many of these EU countries I mention is that considered “socialism “? Also is that really that bad? Perhaps when Trump and Wheat mention socialism are they talking about Russia or China and alike? My father visits the US every year and he thinks that is the greatest country in the world. But at the same time he questions why this country doesn’t have universal health care. One of the first things he does when he gets here is to organize his medication into his daily amounts. It’s a lot! You know how much he pays....Nada!

This country is not perfect, but it’s still the best country in the world as evidenced by everyone wanting to get in.

Socialism will implode on itself eventually if not kept in check by those who create a country’s wealth. Some “socialistic” issues, like universal health care, can be absorbed, and should be, but there are limits to how much money can be taxed from those that stabilize the economy with hard work and ingenuity.

Personally, I actually look at health care as part of the country’s infrastructure. I think a quality standard level for everyone Is desirable and should be a right of all American citizens, and I don’t mind being taxed for it... (We pretty much have that now but it could be better.)

[CrazyNotCrazie]

Hello all...and thx CBB for the invite to participate. I’ve posted over on DBR over 20 years and have always spoken my mind and tried to be respectful to other posters, that will not change here.

I will be voting for Trump as of now, as much as I detest his character. I wish there was another choice, but Biden and The Democratic Party does not address the issues I care about. Trump does.

The overriding issue for me is he may be the last president capable of keeping the country from sliding into socialism. if we reach that tipping point, I’m afraid there is violence and revolution in this country’s future.

I’ll be happy to reply to anyone who wants to try and convince me to change my mind, or question my choice, as time permits.

Thanks for joining in. Can't promise you won't get bashed, but I can promise you won't get banned!
That socialism thing. I've seen SOOOOOO many of my conservative Facebook friends whip that out, and I swear they honestly have no idea what it actually means. (Not implying that you don't.) But like "Fascism" (which is bad), "Socialism" is a term that is randomly tossed about, and it seems that either side adopts or rejects it at whim, but at with whim with fury.
As in..."Those fucking socialists!!!!" Which, of course, Biden isn't, and nobody on his ticket will be.
Irony, several of the friends that I know that rail against those "socialists", literally live on medicare and government assistance. I am not making that up. If it weren't for "socialism", they would be 100% homeless, and likely dead. I will never understand how they got sucked in.

Thank you - I agree. Not sure exactly what the permissiveness is here as I have for better or worse gotten use to DBR standards, but I will give it a shot. Bottom line is that anyone who is concerned that voting for a Democrat will lead to socialism, particularly now that Biden and not Warren or Bernie is the candidate, is an ignorant lemming who just repeats everything they hear on Fox News (or Breitbart) without having the brains to think about it. Are you worried about government getting too big? What the heck is happening right now - government is bailing out everything. Before this even started, Trump was bailing out the farmers - what is that? What is your better solution for healthcare - I agree that Berniecare is overboard, but we need some kind of health care for those who aren't getting it through their jobs.

And as you noted, a little socialism, no matter what your definition, is not a bad thing. There are certain tasks that the government can do better than the private sector. And if anything, the Trump administration is proof that we need government safeguards to protect against bad actors such as Trump. This administration is proving that we need more rules to prevent against self-interested, crooked, narcissistic behavior.

But if worrying about the country is going to move a little more in a "socialist" direction helps you sleep at night while you vote for a man with no morals, no empathy, blames everyone else and makes excuses for anything that might go wrong, and who is single-handedly tearing down everything good that this country was built on, then sweet dreams. I have found more and more that Trump supporters are in two groups - the highly uneducated, and those who should know better and act like they are being really smart by realizing something the rest of us don't then mentally wear themselves to exhaustion making excuses and whataboutisms to justify everything he does.

[CameronBornAndBred]

Thank you - I agree. Not sure exactly what the permissiveness is here as I have for better or worse gotten use to DBR standards,

Everything you just posted is perfectly permissive. Just wanted to reiterate that.
Argue. Say the idea you are arguing against is a shitty idea. Just can't say that the person posting the shitty idea is an idiot for posting it.

And if you argue, back up your points (as you did). It's not a debate without sound logic, as shitty as that logic may be. ;)

[Furniture]

I am a naturalized American originally from the UK and I have lived in Germany and Holland. I also have also worked for a Swedish company for the last 32 years. So. Question for Wheat and others who think like him. If the US ends up with a society and government like many of these EU countries I mention is that considered “socialism “? Also is that really that bad? Perhaps when Trump and Wheat mention socialism are they talking about Russia or China and alike? My father visits the US every year and he thinks that is the greatest country in the world. But at the same time he questions why this country doesn’t have universal health care. One of the first things he does when he gets here is to organize his medication into his daily amounts. It’s a lot! You know how much he pays....Nada!

This country is not perfect, but it’s still the best country in the world as evidenced by everyone wanting to get in.

Socialism will implode on itself eventually if not kept in check by those who create a country’s wealth. Some “socialistic” issues, like universal health care, can be absorbed, and should be, but there are limits to how much money can be taxed from those that stabilize the economy with hard work and ingenuity.

Personally, I actually look at health care as part of the country’s infrastructure. I think a quality standard level for everyone Is desirable and should be a right of all American citizens, and I don’t mind being taxed for it... (We pretty much have that now but it could be better.)

Not everybody wants to get in by the way......Don’t fool yourself.
But you didn’t answer my question. Are EU countries “socialist “ countries? If America becomes a country like the UK or Germany or Sweden. Is it bad. And why is it bad? Do you think these countries will implode?

[Furniture]

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[CameronBornAndBred]

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