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Re: The Political Junkie Thread

Post by CameronBornAndBred » February 22nd, 2021, 9:12 pm

JasonEvans wrote:
February 22nd, 2021, 12:07 pm
If Vance is insistent on jail time, I think Trump will take any charges to trial and count on getting at least one of his supporters on the jury who would vote to acquit him of anything he did.
Re-reading this. (I was rushing all over today, so kinda skimmed.) This raises a really good point. What juror in...well, literally anywhere...will not have a preconceived opinion about Donald Trump? And what is to prevent some die hard supporter to say he's never even heard of the guy? We've seen that story played out in the 2016 polling vs actual voting results.

The answer to above question, by the way, is nothing. There is absolutely nothing to prevent it. Jeez, jury selection might take longer than the trial. OJ Simpson will look miniscule in comparison.
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Re: The Political Junkie Thread

Post by CrazyNotCrazie » February 22nd, 2021, 9:39 pm

CameronBornAndBred wrote:
February 22nd, 2021, 9:12 pm
JasonEvans wrote:
February 22nd, 2021, 12:07 pm
If Vance is insistent on jail time, I think Trump will take any charges to trial and count on getting at least one of his supporters on the jury who would vote to acquit him of anything he did.
Re-reading this. (I was rushing all over today, so kinda skimmed.) This raises a really good point. What juror in...well, literally anywhere...will not have a preconceived opinion about Donald Trump? And what is to prevent some die hard supporter to say he's never even heard of the guy? We've seen that story played out in the 2016 polling vs actual voting results.

The answer to above question, by the way, is nothing. There is absolutely nothing to prevent it. Jeez, jury selection might take longer than the trial. OJ Simpson will look miniscule in comparison.
Agreed. Anyone who doesn't have an opinion on Trump has been living in a bunker and isn't fit to serve on a jury. I live in NYC and I think I'm due for jury duty soon. So if they need me, I'm ready! Though not sure how my boss would feel because if this goes to trial it would not be a quick one. I'm curious who he can find to represent him. I guess everyone has their price.
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Re: The Political Junkie Thread

Post by dudog » February 22nd, 2021, 10:38 pm

CrazyNotCrazie wrote:
February 22nd, 2021, 9:39 pm
CameronBornAndBred wrote:
February 22nd, 2021, 9:12 pm
JasonEvans wrote:
February 22nd, 2021, 12:07 pm
If Vance is insistent on jail time, I think Trump will take any charges to trial and count on getting at least one of his supporters on the jury who would vote to acquit him of anything he did.
Re-reading this. (I was rushing all over today, so kinda skimmed.) This raises a really good point. What juror in...well, literally anywhere...will not have a preconceived opinion about Donald Trump? And what is to prevent some die hard supporter to say he's never even heard of the guy? We've seen that story played out in the 2016 polling vs actual voting results.

The answer to above question, by the way, is nothing. There is absolutely nothing to prevent it. Jeez, jury selection might take longer than the trial. OJ Simpson will look miniscule in comparison.
Agreed. Anyone who doesn't have an opinion on Trump has been living in a bunker and isn't fit to serve on a jury. I live in NYC and I think I'm due for jury duty soon. So if they need me, I'm ready! Though not sure how my boss would feel because if this goes to trial it would not be a quick one. I'm curious who he can find to represent him. I guess everyone has their price.
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Re: The Political Junkie Thread

Post by ArkieDukie » February 22nd, 2021, 10:52 pm

JasonEvans wrote:
February 22nd, 2021, 12:07 pm
dudog wrote:
February 22nd, 2021, 12:00 pm
Plea bargain. I know you know this. It's Monday morning.
Yes, but a plea bargain requires the accused to... you know... admit to doing something wrong. I suspect it will be very difficult to get Dear Leader Donald to do that. Though if Vance is going to let him off with just a fine, I am sure Trump would do that and walk away without thinking about about it.

If Vance is insistent on jail time, I think Trump will take any charges to trial and count on getting at least one of his supporters on the jury who would vote to acquit him of anything he did.
#nailedit. Cheeto is incapable of admitting fault. No way he will do a plea bargain.
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Re: The Political Junkie Thread

Post by dudog » February 22nd, 2021, 11:18 pm

Speaking of juries...

Is it majority, super-majority, or unanimous? And does it differ between civil and criminal? And on the severity of the crime? (I think murder trials require unanimous verdicts, but that's mostly going by Henry Fonda in 12 Angry Men)
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Re: The Political Junkie Thread

Post by CameronBornAndBred » February 22nd, 2021, 11:50 pm

dudog wrote:
February 22nd, 2021, 11:18 pm
Speaking of juries...

Is it majority, super-majority, or unanimous? And does it differ between civil and criminal? And on the severity of the crime? (I think murder trials require unanimous verdicts, but that's mostly going by Henry Fonda in 12 Angry Men)
Super Majorities have capes. And their own comics. Wait....I mean Graphic Novels.

Unanimous Verdict is an evil Super Villain. (And doesn't have a cape, but his thong is way weird.)
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Re: The Political Junkie Thread

Post by dudog » February 23rd, 2021, 9:05 am

CameronBornAndBred wrote:
February 22nd, 2021, 11:50 pm
dudog wrote:
February 22nd, 2021, 11:18 pm
Speaking of juries...

Is it majority, super-majority, or unanimous? And does it differ between civil and criminal? And on the severity of the crime? (I think murder trials require unanimous verdicts, but that's mostly going by Henry Fonda in 12 Angry Men)
Super Majorities have capes. And their own comics. Wait....I mean Graphic Novels.

Unanimous Verdict is an evil Super Villain. (And doesn't have a cape, but his thong is way weird.)
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Re: The Political Junkie Thread

Post by dudog » February 23rd, 2021, 3:42 pm

Here's some nutty shit (sorry for the language, but it is what it is) I hadn't seen yet. Senator Ron Johnson (fitting name) of Wisconsin is now blaming the police because they fired tear gas at the seditionists.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics ... li=BBnb7Kz
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Re: The Political Junkie Thread

Post by CameronBornAndBred » February 23rd, 2021, 4:43 pm

dudog wrote:
February 23rd, 2021, 3:42 pm
Here's some nutty shit (sorry for the language, but it is what it is) I hadn't seen yet. Senator Ron Johnson (fitting name) of Wisconsin is now blaming the police because they fired tear gas at the seditionists.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics ... li=BBnb7Kz
Potty mouth.

What is maddening about that argument is that the counter to it would be "Well they actually were Trump supporters, so it's ok". Besides the fact that it is totally bogus and has been proven to be bullshit a countless number of times, why in actuality does it matter? What matters is that the Capitol was overrun, and how can it be prevented from ever happening again. That's the whole point of the damn hearing!
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Re: The Political Junkie Thread

Post by CrazyNotCrazie » February 23rd, 2021, 5:44 pm

dudog wrote:
February 23rd, 2021, 3:42 pm
Here's some nutty shit (sorry for the language, but it is what it is) I hadn't seen yet. Senator Ron Johnson (fitting name) of Wisconsin is now blaming the police because they fired tear gas at the seditionists.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics ... li=BBnb7Kz
As much as it pains me to do so, let's have Senator Small Johnson respond to a bit of classic Trumpian whataboutism? He thinks that some Anti-Trump types infiltrated the crowd and caused the problems. How does he reply to the much more likely scenario that some Trump supporters infiltrated the crowd at some of the BLM protests last summer (which were trivial compared to January 6) and were the real ones starting the trouble?

These people truly like to make stuff up as they go along to fit their narrative. And the voters who put them in office are not troubled by it.
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Re: The Political Junkie Thread

Post by ArkieDukie » February 24th, 2021, 6:31 am

CrazyNotCrazie wrote:
February 23rd, 2021, 5:44 pm
dudog wrote:
February 23rd, 2021, 3:42 pm
Here's some nutty shit (sorry for the language, but it is what it is) I hadn't seen yet. Senator Ron Johnson (fitting name) of Wisconsin is now blaming the police because they fired tear gas at the seditionists.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics ... li=BBnb7Kz
As much as it pains me to do so, let's have Senator Small Johnson respond to a bit of classic Trumpian whataboutism? He thinks that some Anti-Trump types infiltrated the crowd and caused the problems. How does he reply to the much more likely scenario that some Trump supporters infiltrated the crowd at some of the BLM protests last summer (which were trivial compared to January 6) and were the real ones starting the trouble?

These people truly like to make stuff up as they go along to fit their narrative. And the voters who put them in office are not troubled by it.
Here’s the issue. Sen Johnson is just the voice of people like my dad. Trump supporters legit believe that the violence was caused by antifa who were posing as Trump supporters. Good luck trying to convince them otherwise. They believe the attack on the Capitol was awful and that the instigators should be punished, but they do not think their Golden (Showers) Boy did anything wrong.
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Re: The Political Junkie Thread

Post by dudog » February 24th, 2021, 5:59 pm

I don't get it. I don't find these people charismatic at all.

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/ ... 9d6WzoqYHo

The feeble-mindedness astounds me.
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Re: The Political Junkie Thread

Post by CameronBornAndBred » February 25th, 2021, 1:25 am

dudog wrote:
February 24th, 2021, 5:59 pm
I don't get it. I don't find these people charismatic at all.

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/ ... 9d6WzoqYHo

The feeble-mindedness astounds me.
I didn't read the article. (I will) But just looking at the photo, that whole scenario has boggled my mind, and forever will.
It is the true visual representation of the cult. And he bathes in it.
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Re: The Political Junkie Thread

Post by ArkieDukie » February 25th, 2021, 6:42 am

Here’s an interesting article from Politico that discusses the issues facing anti-Trump Republicans. I never realized that the deck was so stacked against a third party.
https://apple.news/A0XJp-HRaStWjLBoccKaPjg
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Re: The Political Junkie Thread

Post by dudog » February 25th, 2021, 7:53 am

ArkieDukie wrote:
February 25th, 2021, 6:42 am
Here’s an interesting article from Politico that discusses the issues facing anti-Trump Republicans. I never realized that the deck was so stacked against a third party.
https://apple.news/A0XJp-HRaStWjLBoccKaPjg
Good article, thanks. But I disagree with this line: "The Democratic Party, which continues to move leftward...".

That's just an R talking point. We resoundingly rejected Bernie and others to go for the most centrist candidate in 2020. And where are the far left policies? Anything the right brings up is just reality to me. Green New Deal...global warming is real, and it's gonna be painful, and I'm not sure 4% of the world's population can really solve it, but we've got to try. Universal health care...people are going to get treated in this country when they get sick or are in an accident, they need to be covered and have skin in the game (getting rid of the individual mandate in an attempt to kill ACA was just ignorant).

Fiscal responsibility...HA! Every time a D is in the White House the deficit goes down, and when it's an R it goes up. EVERY TIME!

Unfortunately, I do agree with this line from the article: "Pat McCrory, the former Republican governor of North Carolina, predicted that before the midterm elections, Democrats “will overplay their cards and unite us. It’s just a matter of time.”"

Regardless of your stripe, this is the most concerning (frightening) thing of all: We just witnessed a coup attempt in this country. A majority of House Rs voted to overturn a free and fair election. The R President instigated a violent armed insurrection that attacked the elected leaders of this country and the very symbol of our nation in an attempt to keep himself in power. Yet even then he was not convicted. If that is not a crime against our country, then nothing is.

I have never been more of a Democrat than I am today. The Rs have pissed me off so much that the Ds could go full socialist and I would probably still support them. But I'll probably just drop out and say "A pox on both your houses".
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Post by dudog » February 25th, 2021, 2:53 pm

This is who the Republicans are. I'd put good money on Liz Cheney losing her leadership post in the party now.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics ... li=BBnb7Kz

I know we're not supposed to say it, but we're watching the birth of the American Nazi Party. Though I doubt their marketing people will go with that name.
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Re: The Political Junkie Thread

Post by Phredd3 » February 25th, 2021, 6:24 pm

dudog wrote:
February 25th, 2021, 2:53 pm
I know we're not supposed to say it, but we're watching the birth of the American Nazi Party. Though I doubt their marketing people will go with that name.
That's that other board. The cool thing about this board is that you can say stuff like that, as long as you don't say it about another poster. And, I completely agree with you. The Republican Party is not about the exchange of ideas, or about the good of the people, or about principles of government at all. It has turned itself into a personality cult, and anyone who disagrees is to be run out on a rail. That's pretty much a description of the Nazi Party.

It's funny that the article ends with a comment about Trump being canceled. The implication is that it is tragic for that to happen, but meanwhile, the article mentions numerous instances where opponents of the Great Dictator are being run out of their positions or entirely out of the Party. Seems kinda like cancellation to me.
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Re: The Political Junkie Thread

Post by dudog » February 25th, 2021, 6:58 pm

Phredd3 wrote:
February 25th, 2021, 6:24 pm
dudog wrote:
February 25th, 2021, 2:53 pm
I know we're not supposed to say it, but we're watching the birth of the American Nazi Party. Though I doubt their marketing people will go with that name.
That's that other board. The cool thing about this board is that you can say stuff like that, as long as you don't say it about another poster. And, I completely agree with you. The Republican Party is not about the exchange of ideas, or about the good of the people, or about principles of government at all. It has turned itself into a personality cult, and anyone who disagrees is to be run out on a rail. That's pretty much a description of the Nazi Party.

It's funny that the article ends with a comment about Trump being canceled. The implication is that it is tragic for that to happen, but meanwhile, the article mentions numerous instances where opponents of the Great Dictator are being run out of their positions or entirely out of the Party. Seems kinda like cancellation to me.
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Re: The Political Junkie Thread

Post by CameronBornAndBred » February 25th, 2021, 8:21 pm

dudog wrote:
February 25th, 2021, 2:53 pm
This is who the Republicans are. I'd put good money on Liz Cheney losing her leadership post in the party now.
What is interesting is the fight for who the Republican party actually is. First we thought thought the Trumpists would leave and form their Patriot party. Instead of that happening, they are seemingly taking over, and anyone else who doesn't fall in line with their thinking knows where the door is. Neither side wants to be "The Third Party", because both know that any third party doesn't have a snowball's chance.
A minority is usurping the majority and slowly but surely commandeering the whole thing.

The CPAC is going to be popcorn worthy this weekend.
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Re: The Political Junkie Thread

Post by ArkieDukie » February 25th, 2021, 10:21 pm

CameronBornAndBred wrote:
February 25th, 2021, 8:21 pm
dudog wrote:
February 25th, 2021, 2:53 pm
This is who the Republicans are. I'd put good money on Liz Cheney losing her leadership post in the party now.
What is interesting is the fight for who the Republican party actually is. First we thought thought the Trumpists would leave and form their Patriot party. Instead of that happening, they are seemingly taking over, and anyone else who doesn't fall in line with their thinking knows where the door is. Neither side wants to be "The Third Party", because both know that any third party doesn't have a snowball's chance.
A minority is usurping the majority and slowly but surely commandeering the whole thing.

The CPAC is going to be popcorn worthy this weekend.
Exactly. At one point I thought Trump was in talks to leave and form his own party (Patriot Party was the name I heard). Now it appears that anti-Trump Republicans are being forced out of the party. I'm in favor of whichever party DOESN'T have Trump. I think I've said before that a real moderate party might actually get some interest from a lot of people.

It's interesting, in the scary sense of the word, to read comments on Facebook from people who are Trump supporters. Their impressions of him are not even accurate. My favorite is that Biden will be walked on by international leaders because no one respects him. Apparently Trump immediately commanded respect whenever he entered a room. I'm not sure we even lived in the same universe for the past 4 years. I came so close to posting a video of world leaders making fun of Trump.

A state senator in Arkansas, Sen. Jim Hendren, officially left the Republican Party and is considering a run for Governor as an Independent. The current front-runner for the Republican nomination is Sarah Huckabee Sanders, who is totally unqualified for the job. Naturally, she's the front runner. Interestingly, Hendren's uncle, current Governor Asa Hutchinson has said he will not support Trump if he runs again in 2024. He really has nothing to fear since he's not up for re-election, but I think he is fairly popular in AR. Nice to see at least one sane Republican in my home state.
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