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Let's say Tyler Zeller was bringing the ball upcourt (I know, not likely), and was being guarded and having some issues. If his nose crosses the halfcourt line at the 8-second count, but the ball and the rest of his body don't cross until after the ten second mark, is it still a violation?

-EarlJam

Multiple choice:
Why did the Zeller cross the half-court line?
A) To miss a clutch free-throw
B) To tip in an opponent's shot
C) To achieve minimal second half scoring
D) To slack off defending against a game winning shot
E) All the above

ALL OF THE ABOVE!!!!

EarlJam wrote:Let's say Tyler Zeller was bringing the ball upcourt (I know, not likely), and was being guarded and having some issues. If his nose crosses the halfcourt line at the 8-second count, but the ball and the rest of his body don't cross until after the ten second mark, is it still a violation?

-EarlJam

Yes, it is a violation. To be in the front court, one must have the ball and both feet in the front court.

From the Rule Book (link is to a PDF):
"Rule 9, Section 10. (Men) 10-Second Violation: An inbounds player (and his team) shall not be in continuous control of a
ball that is in his back court for 10 consecutive seconds.

"Rule 4, Section 3. Back Court/Front Court
. . .
Art. 3. A live ball is in the front court or back court of the team in control as follows:
a. A ball that is in contact with a player or with the playing court shall be in the back court when either the ball or the player (either player when the ball is touching more than one) is touching the back court. It shall be in the front court when neither the ball nor the player is touching the back court.
b. A ball that is not in contact with a player or the playing court retains the same status as when it was last in contact with a player or the playing court.
c. During a dribble from back court to front court, the ball shall be in the front court when both feet of the dribbler and the ball touch the playing court entirely in the front court.
Art. 4. A pass in the front court that is deflected by a defensive player so that the ball goes into the back court may be recovered by either team.
Art. 5. Regardless of where the throw-in spot is located, the throw-in team may cause the ball to go into the back court.
Art. 6. After the throw-in ends, an inbounds player in the front court, who is not in control of the ball, may cause the ball to go into the back court.
Art. 7. A defensive player shall be permitted to secure control of the ball while both feet are off the playing court and land with one or both feet in the back court. It makes no difference if the first foot down was in the front court or back court.
Art. 8. After a jump ball or during a throw-in, the player in his/her front court, who makes the initial touch on the ball while both feet are off the playing court, may be the first to secure control of the ball and land with one or both feet in the back court. It makes no difference if the first foot down was in the front court or back court.

Mr ID the retired ref says he has to have his ball(s) across the line - nose doesn't count!

IowaDevil wrote:Mr ID the retired ref says he has to have his ball(s) across the line - nose doesn't count!

All 3 of them?

Speaking on my own behalf, of course.

captmojo wrote:

IowaDevil wrote:Mr ID the retired ref says he has to have his ball(s) across the line - nose doesn't count!

All 3 of them?

Speaking on my own behalf, of course.

Certainly not speaking of three when discussing Tyler Zeller....

As for young Mr. Zeller...I really would not know his count status. Neither would I want to.

Johnboy wrote:

EarlJam wrote:Let's say Tyler Zeller was bringing the ball upcourt (I know, not likely), and was being guarded and having some issues. If his nose crosses the halfcourt line at the 8-second count, but the ball and the rest of his body don't cross until after the ten second mark, is it still a violation?

-EarlJam

Yes, it is a violation. To be in the front court, one must have the ball and both feet in the front court.

From the Rule Book (link is to a PDF):
"Rule 9, Section 10. (Men) 10-Second Violation: An inbounds player (and his team) shall not be in continuous control of a
ball that is in his back court for 10 consecutive seconds.

"Rule 4, Section 3. Back Court/Front Court
. . .
Art. 3. A live ball is in the front court or back court of the team in control as follows:
a. A ball that is in contact with a player or with the playing court shall be in the back court when either the ball or the player (either player when the ball is touching more than one) is touching the back court. It shall be in the front court when neither the ball nor the player is touching the back court.
b. A ball that is not in contact with a player or the playing court retains the same status as when it was last in contact with a player or the playing court.
c. During a dribble from back court to front court, the ball shall be in the front court when both feet of the dribbler and the ball touch the playing court entirely in the front court.
Art. 4. A pass in the front court that is deflected by a defensive player so that the ball goes into the back court may be recovered by either team.
Art. 5. Regardless of where the throw-in spot is located, the throw-in team may cause the ball to go into the back court.
Art. 6. After the throw-in ends, an inbounds player in the front court, who is not in control of the ball, may cause the ball to go into the back court.
Art. 7. A defensive player shall be permitted to secure control of the ball while both feet are off the playing court and land with one or both feet in the back court. It makes no difference if the first foot down was in the front court or back court.
Art. 8. After a jump ball or during a throw-in, the player in his/her front court, who makes the initial touch on the ball while both feet are off the playing court, may be the first to secure control of the ball and land with one or both feet in the back court. It makes no difference if the first foot down was in the front court or back court.

Thanks? It was kind of a rhetorical question. But I really DID learn something!

-EarlJam