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Talk about bad calls. Here's another MLB call by an ump who must have been watching with his eyes closed:

http://mlb.fanhouse.com/2010/08/05/umpi ... victory%2F

devildeac wrote:Talk about bad calls. Here's another MLB call by an ump who must have been watching with his eyes closed:

http://mlb.fanhouse.com/2010/08/05/umpi ... victory%2F

At the 32 second mark, look at where the ball first touches the ground. Isn't the rule that if it touches foul before it gets to the base, it's a foul ball, right?

Just wonderin'. I could be wrong. I just don't know the rule. Clarification on the rule would be appreciated. Thanks.

Lavabe wrote:

devildeac wrote:Talk about bad calls. Here's another MLB call by an ump who must have been watching with his eyes closed:

http://mlb.fanhouse.com/2010/08/05/umpi ... victory%2F

At the 32 second mark, look at where the ball first touches the ground. Isn't the rule that if it touches foul before it gets to the base, it's a foul ball, right?

Just wonderin'. I could be wrong. I just don't know the rule. Clarification on the rule would be appreciated. Thanks.

No. It's where the ball lands after it passes the base. It was a bad call, but it DID look like the path of the ball was altered by something. When the ball landed fair, the ump wasn't even looking at it.

-EarlJam

EarlJam wrote:

Lavabe wrote:

devildeac wrote:Talk about bad calls. Here's another MLB call by an ump who must have been watching with his eyes closed:

http://mlb.fanhouse.com/2010/08/05/umpi ... victory%2F

At the 32 second mark, look at where the ball first touches the ground. Isn't the rule that if it touches foul before it gets to the base, it's a foul ball, right?

Just wonderin'. I could be wrong. I just don't know the rule. Clarification on the rule would be appreciated. Thanks.

No. It's where the ball lands after it passes the base. It was a bad call, but it DID look like the path of the ball was altered by something. When the ball landed fair, the ump wasn't even looking at it.

-EarlJam

So like technically, Martin Prado could hit a ball into the stands, by home plate, where it careens off EJam's noggin, bounces where the batter on deck is practice-swinging, then somehow miraculously lands onto the playing field, where it just sits there. THAT'S a fair ball?

Or in another situation, let's say the Yankees' A-Rod pops the ball up in foul territory behind the plate, and the Orioles' catcher misses the ball, the ball bounces just behind the plate with a little spin on it, and then makes it back onto the playing field just in front of home plate. THAT'S a fair ball?

This sounds hokey.

Lavabe wrote:
So like technically, Martin Prado could hit a ball into the stands, by home plate, where it careens off EJam's noggin, bounces where the batter on deck is practice-swinging, then somehow miraculously lands onto the playing field, where it just sits there. THAT'S a fair ball?

Or in another situation, let's say the Yankees' A-Rod pops the ball up in foul territory behind the plate, and the Orioles' catcher misses the ball, the ball bounces just behind the plate with a little spin on it, and then makes it back onto the playing field just in front of home plate. THAT'S a fair ball?

This sounds hokey.

No to the first one, yes to the second. Once a ball hits something, or someone, in foul territory, it's foul. But if ARod's popup hits foul and spins into fair territory where it either stops or is touched, it's a fair ball and a base hit, possibly a double, triple or even a home run, however far he hustles around and reaches safely.

Lavabe wrote:

devildeac wrote:Talk about bad calls. Here's another MLB call by an ump who must have been watching with his eyes closed:

http://mlb.fanhouse.com/2010/08/05/umpi ... victory%2F

At the 32 second mark, look at where the ball first touches the ground. Isn't the rule that if it touches foul before it gets to the base, it's a foul ball, right?

Just wonderin'. I could be wrong. I just don't know the rule. Clarification on the rule would be appreciated. Thanks.

My knowledge of baseball rules is a bit thin but I believe the rule is something along the lines of "where the ball crosses the base." I have seen many a bunt/dribbler roll up the foul line and, as soon as it crosses the line, a player will pick it up or swat it foul so it cannot become a fair ball again and therefore, "in play."

Lavabe wrote:

EarlJam wrote:

Lavabe wrote: At the 32 second mark, look at where the ball first touches the ground. Isn't the rule that if it touches foul before it gets to the base, it's a foul ball, right?

Just wonderin'. I could be wrong. I just don't know the rule. Clarification on the rule would be appreciated. Thanks.

No. It's where the ball lands after it passes the base. It was a bad call, but it DID look like the path of the ball was altered by something. When the ball landed fair, the ump wasn't even looking at it.

-EarlJam

So like technically, Martin Prado could hit a ball into the stands, by home plate, where it careens off EJam's noggin, bounces where the batter on deck is practice-swinging, then somehow miraculously lands onto the playing field, where it just sits there. THAT'S a fair ball?

Or in another situation, let's say the Yankees' A-Rod pops the ball up in foul territory behind the plate, and the Orioles' catcher misses the ball, the ball bounces just behind the plate with a little spin on it, and then makes it back onto the playing field just in front of home plate. THAT'S a fair ball?

This sounds hokey.

1. No. As soon as it touches something/an object (not the ground) out of the field of play, it is a foul ball and no longer in play.

2. Does the O's player touch the ball? If he does, and misses it, it is an error or simply a foul ball. If he does not touch it, I guess it can spin back into play as a ball that is bunted/or "dribbled" up the foul line, goes outside the line, remains untouched and then rolls back fair before reaching 1st/3rd base.

OZZIE4DUKE wrote:

Lavabe wrote:
So like technically, Martin Prado could hit a ball into the stands, by home plate, where it careens off EJam's noggin, bounces where the batter on deck is practice-swinging, then somehow miraculously lands onto the playing field, where it just sits there. THAT'S a fair ball?

Or in another situation, let's say the Yankees' A-Rod pops the ball up in foul territory behind the plate, and the Orioles' catcher misses the ball, the ball bounces just behind the plate with a little spin on it, and then makes it back onto the playing field just in front of home plate. THAT'S a fair ball?

This sounds hokey.

No to the first one, yes to the second. Once a ball hits something, or someone, in foul territory, it's foul. But if ARod's popup hits foul and spins into fair territory where it either stops or is touched, it's a fair ball and a base hit, possibly a double, triple or even a home run, however far he hustles around and reaches safely.

I see... thank you for the clarification. Now EJam's statement makes sense.

That was a seriously bad call because, if the correct call is made, the game is over and the Marlins win.

devildeac wrote:That was a seriously bad call because, if the correct call is made, the game is over and the Marlins win.

Not as bad as the World Cup disallowed goals for the US and for England.

devildeac wrote:That was a seriously bad call because, if the correct call is made, the game is over and the Marlins win.

That particular umpire - May he burn in HELL.

-EarlJam

P.S. Seriously, what an awful call. The Braves and Phillies meet in six of the last nine games of the year. Think that blown call won't end up being a factor? Think again.

Lavabe wrote:

devildeac wrote:That was a seriously bad call because, if the correct call is made, the game is over and the Marlins win.

Not as bad as the World Cup disallowed goals for the US and for England.

I'd argue it was as this was a game ending call. Right call, game over. Both those were bad but not game ending. Game altering, yes, because every goal in soccer is important as they are so difficult to score.

EarlJam wrote:

devildeac wrote:That was a seriously bad call because, if the correct call is made, the game is over and the Marlins win.

That particular umpire - May he burn in HELL.

-EarlJam

P.S. Seriously, what an awful call. The Braves and Phillies meet in six of the last nine games of the year. Think that blown call won't end up being a factor? Think again.

There was another seriously awful call in the Phillies phavor a couple weeks ago against the Mutts, IIRC. Or was it the Giants. A Met (or Giants) player slides under the catcher for the apparent winning run and is across the plate while the catcher still has the ball in his mitt at about shoulder level and THEN makes the tag. Olympic Fan has a still of it in the Braves 2010 thread on DBR. Correct call, game over, Phils lose. They won in extra innings so that's 2 gift wins for them.

Lavabe wrote:

EarlJam wrote:

Lavabe wrote: At the 32 second mark, look at where the ball first touches the ground. Isn't the rule that if it touches foul before it gets to the base, it's a foul ball, right?

Just wonderin'. I could be wrong. I just don't know the rule. Clarification on the rule would be appreciated. Thanks.

No. It's where the ball lands after it passes the base. It was a bad call, but it DID look like the path of the ball was altered by something. When the ball landed fair, the ump wasn't even looking at it.

-EarlJam

So like technically, Martin Prado could hit a ball into the stands, by home plate, where it careens off EJam's noggin, bounces where the batter on deck is practice-swinging, then somehow miraculously lands onto the playing field, where it just sits there. THAT'S a fair ball?

Or in another situation, let's say the Yankees' A-Rod pops the ball up in foul territory behind the plate, and the Orioles' catcher misses the ball, the ball bounces just behind the plate with a little spin on it, and then makes it back onto the playing field just in front of home plate. THAT'S a fair ball?

This sounds hokey.

And BTW, it's A-Roid.

devildeac wrote:

EarlJam wrote:

devildeac wrote:That was a seriously bad call because, if the correct call is made, the game is over and the Marlins win.

That particular umpire - May he burn in HELL.

-EarlJam

P.S. Seriously, what an awful call. The Braves and Phillies meet in six of the last nine games of the year. Think that blown call won't end up being a factor? Think again.

There was another seriously awful call in the Phillies phavor a couple weeks ago against the Mutts, IIRC. Or was it the Giants. A Met (or Giants) player slides under the catcher for the apparent winning run and is across the plate while the catcher still has the ball in his mitt at about shoulder level and THEN makes the tag. Olympic Fan has a still of it in the Braves 2010 thread on DBR. Correct call, game over, Phils lose. They won in extra innings so that's 2 gift wins for them.

Here's his post:

Great performance by the Braves today -- grand slam by McCann; Diaz homers for the second straight day; at least two great defensive players by Gonzales ...

Should have gained a game on the Mets, but didn't thanks to a blown umpiring call. Mets and Giants are tied 3-3 in the bottom of the ninth and the Giants have runners at second and third.

A bouncer is hit to third and the runner tries to score. David Wright's throw is high and as the catcher leaps top catch it, the runner slides in under him with the winning run.

Somehow, the ump calls him out -- it was pretty clear real time that it wasn't even close ... on replay, it's even more egregious -- the runner is halfway across the plate before he's tagged.

http://scores.espn.go.com/mlb/photos...photoId=740239

Mets score in the top of the 10th and get an undeserved 4-3 win, so the Braves don't gain any ground.

The post after it has a picture of the play.

It's looking like while the Braves are choking away ties and leads in late innings, the Phillies are going to go fucking undefeated for the rest of the year.

Fuck those red hat wearing sons of bitches. I hate the Phillies. HATE THEM! That said, the Braves are NOT worthy of first place right now. They are playing like the Orioles.

Damn. How many more days to college hoops season???

-EarlJam

EarlJam wrote:It's looking like while the Braves are choking away ties and leads in late innings, the Phillies are going to go fucking undefeated for the rest of the year.

Fuck those red hat wearing sons of bitches. I hate the Phillies. HATE THEM! That said, the Braves are NOT worthy of first place right now. They are playing like the Orioles.

Damn. How many more days to college hoops season???

-EarlJam

Too many.

EarlJam wrote:That said, the Braves are NOT worthy of first place right now. They are playing like the Orioles. -EarlJam

Don't look now, but under new management, the O's have won 4 in a row.

And the O's won the last 2 in their last at-bat. If they win their next 36 in a row, they will be at .500.

lawgrad91 wrote:If they win their next 36 in a row, they will be at .500.

That's doable!