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Finally, a Hog is making into the Hall of Fame. Russ Grimm will be inducted on Saturday. My only regret is that the entire O-line didn't make it.

He definitely deserves it. I hope his son, Cody, a linebacker/safety for the Hokies, makes it in the NFL too. He's got a heck of a nose for the ball. He was drafted by the Bucs in the 7th round. I really hope he sticks. He seems like a good kid.

I thought there was a new CTN user, Canton Mr. Grimm.

Lavabe wrote:I thought there was a new CTN user, Canton Mr. Grimm.

I thought we were calling ourselves Canton, for the new member Mr. Grimm

OZZIE4DUKE wrote:

Lavabe wrote:I thought there was a new CTN user, Canton Mr. Grimm.

I thought we were calling ourselves Canton, for the new member Mr. Grimm

I thought so, too! CTN = Canton if you try to sound it out.

It is appalling that anyone couldn't put "Canton" and "Mr. Grimm" together and realizing that this thread was about one of the best offensive linemen in the NFL.

You all lose 1 NFL coolpoint. ;)

Miles wrote:It is appalling that anyone couldn't put "Canton" and "Mr. Grimm" together and realizing that this thread was about one of the best offensive linemen in the NFL.

You all lose 1 NFL coolpoint. ;)

I spent 10 seasons pulling for the Raiders. I don't have any more NFL coolpoints to lose.

Miles wrote:It is appalling that anyone couldn't put "Canton" and "Mr. Grimm" together and realizing that this thread was about one of the best offensive linemen in the NFL.

You all lose 1 NFL coolpoint. ;)

First, in the spirit of EATS, SHOOTS AND LEAVES, the absence of a comma in the title did pose an issue with understanding things. Grammar Ninja has spoken (WHERE is WILSON?).

Secondly, I first read this while abroad during the offseason. Sorry, but the worldwide sport of football was having its World Cup this year, and it took up just about every ounce of world sporting news that was available to me.

Finally, the NFL has done absolutely ZERO for me, personally, for the last 45 years or so. It's way overpriced. I've never been able to afford to attend a game for who knows how long, and I am actually tired and saddened by the extent to which these players have sacrificed themselves for this game. The alienation of the whole price/salary structure is also in a world that is just beyond me; I deal with real world poverty, medical, and environmental issues that just don't jibe well with NFL glorification and idolatry. I can't relate to NFL any more.

In other words, the NFL (and I'll also toss in the NBA and much of MLB and NHL) have screwed me for so long and have not given back to me JACK SQUAT. At least there's a sort of folklore/history aspect of MLB that I can somewhat follow, although the players and owners in MLB have done a lot to make me not to want to follow that as well.

F*** the NFL.

Miles wrote:It is appalling that anyone couldn't put "Canton" and "Mr. Grimm" together and realizing that this thread was about one of the best offensive linemen in the NFL.

You all lose 1 NFL coolpoint. ;)

Woah, woah, woah, ANYONE? I got it right off the bat, thank you very much. I even commented on his son.

Lavabe wrote:

Miles wrote:It is appalling that anyone couldn't put "Canton" and "Mr. Grimm" together and realizing that this thread was about one of the best offensive linemen in the NFL.

You all lose 1 NFL coolpoint. ;)

First, in the spirit of EATS, SHOOTS AND LEAVES, the absence of a comma in the title did pose an issue with understanding things. Grammar Ninja has spoken (WHERE is WILSON?).

Secondly, I first read this while abroad during the offseason. Sorry, but the worldwide sport of football was having its World Cup this year, and it took up just about every ounce of world sporting news that was available to me.

Finally, the NFL has done absolutely ZERO for me, personally, for the last 45 years or so. It's way overpriced. I've never been able to afford to attend a game for who knows how long, and I am actually tired and saddened by the extent to which these players have sacrificed themselves for this game. The alienation of the whole price/salary structure is also in a world that is just beyond me; I deal with real world poverty, medical, and environmental issues that just don't jibe well with NFL glorification and idolatry. I can't relate to NFL any more.

In other words, the NFL (and I'll also toss in the NBA and much of MLB and NHL) have screwed me for so long and have not given back to me JACK SQUAT. At least there's a sort of folklore/history aspect of MLB that I can somewhat follow, although the players and owners in MLB have done a lot to make me not to want to follow that as well.

F*** the NFL.

Wow, thanks for the cold shower.

Miles wrote:Wow, thanks for the cold shower.

What's even worse is that I live in the Land of the Lost, about 10 minutes away from the Bengals training camp. I.e., the Ochocinco and TO Show is now the lead story on the news... even more important than the Rick Pitino trial news.

I would prefer to hear more about John Wall. ;)

Lavabe wrote:

Miles wrote:Wow, thanks for the cold shower.

What's even worse is that I live in the Land of the Lost, about 10 minutes away from the Bengals training camp. I.e., the Ochocinco and TO Show is now the lead story on the news... even more important than the Rick Pitino trial news.

I would prefer to hear more about John Wall. ;)

I can imagine how that would be really frustrating. The NFL does have it's fair share of media whores and those, that I feel, are less deserving of the substantial incomes they receive.

Lavabe wrote:
I would prefer to hear more about John Wall. ;)

Once again...exactly who is this 'John Wall' character of which you speak?

Hi, Jack!

Miles wrote:I can imagine how that would be really frustrating. The NFL does have it's fair share of media whores and those, that I feel, are less deserving of the substantial incomes they receive.

Okay... 'splain me this, Miles:

WHO is HAYNESWORTH, and why is his name always appearing on the ESPN crawl? Is this guy an all-Pro or something? Haven't heard of him before... how many millions does he make? What's his first name?

Again... NFL has done a wonderful job of alienating me, and I think Haynesworth is an example of what's wrong.

Lavabe wrote:

Miles wrote:I can imagine how that would be really frustrating. The NFL does have it's fair share of media whores and those, that I feel, are less deserving of the substantial incomes they receive.

Okay... 'splain me this, Miles:

WHO is HAYNESWORTH, and why is his name always appearing on the ESPN crawl? Is this guy an all-Pro or something? Haven't heard of him before... how many millions does he make? What's his first name?

Again... NFL has done a wonderful job of alienating me, and I think Haynesworth is an example of what's wrong.

Albert Haynesworth is a prima donna piece of shit defensive tackle. He had a standout career in Tennessee and is/was widely recognized as one of the best defensive tackles playing the game today. Daniel Synder, the Redskins dubious owner, continued his long tradition of spending egregious amounts of money on Albert. The contract was structured so that he got ridiculous amounts of guaranteed cash (40 million out of his 100 million?) then he refused to show up to minicamps this year because the Redskins are switching defensive schemes that will move Haynesworth inside and not let him shine. Now he has failed two conditioning tests.

He is an icon of what is wrong in America today. He is talented, privileged, and spoiled and cares only about himself.

I completely understand why a douche like Albert helps to alienate you from the NFL. I just don't think behavior like his is limited to the NFL (or the other leagues you mentioned). Have you taken a look at Hollywood or the music industry lately?

Miles wrote:Albert Haynesworth is a prima donna piece of shit defensive tackle. He had a standout career in Tennessee and is/was widely recognized as one of the best defensive tackles playing the game today. Daniel Synder, the Redskins dubious owner, continued his long tradition of spending egregious amounts of money on Albert. The contract was structured so that he got ridiculous amounts of guaranteed cash (40 million out of his 100 million?) then he refused to show up to minicamps this year because the Redskins are switching defensive schemes that will move Haynesworth inside and not let him shine. Now he has failed two conditioning tests.

He is an icon of what is wrong in America today. He is talented, privileged, and spoiled and cares only about himself.

I completely understand why a douche like Albert helps to alienate you from the NFL. I just don't think behavior like his is limited to the NFL (or the other leagues you mentioned). Have you taken a look at Hollywood or the music industry lately?

Fact is, the cost of attending an NFL game is way beyond my income, assuming I could have the privilege of purchasing a ticket. At that point, you lose me. Hollywood & the music industry is full of issues for sure, but there's greater choice available in both venues, and choices that don't oblige me to contribute to such idiots. And I don't have to live in a specific city to view a specific movie or to listen to a particular music item. Add in the concussion/health issues that NFL seems to have (and seems not to be willing to address thoroughly and completely), and I just have no interest in it any more.

To be fair, I don't really go too much to the movies any more, although I am debating whether or not to see Inception and Salt.

Lavabe wrote:

Miles wrote:Albert Haynesworth is a prima donna piece of shit defensive tackle. He had a standout career in Tennessee and is/was widely recognized as one of the best defensive tackles playing the game today. Daniel Synder, the Redskins dubious owner, continued his long tradition of spending egregious amounts of money on Albert. The contract was structured so that he got ridiculous amounts of guaranteed cash (40 million out of his 100 million?) then he refused to show up to minicamps this year because the Redskins are switching defensive schemes that will move Haynesworth inside and not let him shine. Now he has failed two conditioning tests.

He is an icon of what is wrong in America today. He is talented, privileged, and spoiled and cares only about himself.

I completely understand why a douche like Albert helps to alienate you from the NFL. I just don't think behavior like his is limited to the NFL (or the other leagues you mentioned). Have you taken a look at Hollywood or the music industry lately?

Fact is, the cost of attending an NFL game is way beyond my income, assuming I could have the privilege of purchasing a ticket. At that point, you lose me. Hollywood & the music industry is full of issues for sure, but there's greater choice available in both venues, and choices that don't oblige me to contribute to such idiots. And I don't have to live in a specific city to view a specific movie or to listen to a particular music item. Add in the concussion/health issues that NFL seems to have (and seems not to be willing to address thoroughly and completely), and I just have no interest in it any more.

To be fair, I don't really go too much to the movies any more, although I am debating whether or not to see Inception and Salt.

Right on. Thanks for talking it out. I can see some of your points. For me, I can enjoy one or two games (in a season) live. If I wanted to sit in the nosebleed seats I could go more often as the costs are comparable to dinner and movie with Kelly, and in some cases actually cheaper. The rest of the season, I enjoy watching the NFL with the exception of that "Are you ready for some football" song they played on Monday Nights (now Sunday nights).

As far as injuries are concerned, I think football players are well aware of the risks they take and personally choose to make the risk for the reward of big bucks. Even the worst, benchwarmers are compensated handsomely ($325,000/year for a rookie in 2010) for their efforts. What more should the NFL or the owners do for players that take a voluntary risk?

Grimm was one of the all-time greats, and the "Hogs" as a unit were so much fun to watch. They even made John Riggins an honorary hog at one point due to his toughness nad fearlessness. Between the "Hogs" and the "Smurfs" the Redskins were a lot of fun back in the day.

In honor of John Riggins, "loosen up, sandy baby".

allen wrote:Grimm was one of the all-time greats, and the "Hogs" as a unit were so much fun to watch. They even made John Riggins an honorary hog at one point due to his toughness nad fearlessness. Between the "Hogs" and the "Smurfs" the Redskins were a lot of fun back in the day.

In honor of John Riggins, "loosen up, sandy baby".

It didn't hurt that he was a leader of the 5 o'clock club. ;)

From thehogs.net website:

The 5 O'Clock Club

Riggins and his fellow Hogs increased their tightness as members of the 5 O'Clock Club started by Vince Lombardi in 1969. The group met after practice in an old tool shed at Redskin Park. It had no plumbing, no electricity. There was a kerosene heater over which Riggo would sometimes warm cans of pork and beans. The delicate fare was normally washed down with frothy beverages.

"A lot of problems were solved out there," Grimm remembers with a chuckle.

That kind of cohesiveness was important on what became one of their signature plays, the Counter Trey. Bostic, May and Starke would block down or to the left. Grimm and Jacoby would pull and come around the right side. The running back would take a step to the left and then take the handoff going right, and it worked many times, to the dismay of opponents.

In fact, it was that developed cohesiveness that allowed Bugel and head coach Joe Gibbs to develop a punishing ball control offense. The hogs would smash huge holes in the defense and Riggins would run through them.

The 1983 playoffs was when the Hogs began to show their brilliance. Riggins ran the ball 37 times for 185 yards against Minnesota, 36 times for 140 yards against Dallas in the NFC Championship game, and 38 times for 166 yards against Miami in Super Bowl XVII. An incredible 610 yards in four games to capture the franchises first Super Bowl.

Although Riggins' performances were spectacular, the Redskins' offensive line were the ones controlling the trenches. The Hogs paved the way for Joe Gibbs to turn his clock-eating, ball-driving offense into the first of three Super Bowls in less than a decade.

The Hogs kept paving highways through defensive lines in 1984 and rolled easily into Super Bowl XVIII before being upset by the Raiders 38-9.