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I have a rule question...

Post by bjornolf » January 5th, 2010, 11:08 am

If a defender tips away a pass and another defender grabs the ball, who gets credit for the steal? Does it matter if it's clearly a purposeful tip? In other words, is there a difference between sticking your hand out and deflecting it vs. knocking the ball down the court to a streaking team mate who takes it in for a score?

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Re: I have a rule question...

Post by CameronBornAndBred » January 5th, 2010, 12:25 pm

Good question..I don't know the answer but I'm going to guess it's the defender who tipped it. The only problem with this is that it's not a trunover until the other defending team actually possesses the ball. If it's deflected, and the team on offense gets it, it was never a turnover, just a close call.
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Re: I have a rule question...

Post by Ima Facultiwyfe » January 11th, 2010, 1:20 pm

Same question.....only on a rebound. Who gets credit, the tipper or the recipient?
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Re: I have a rule question...

Post by EarlJam » January 11th, 2010, 4:57 pm

bjornolf wrote:If a defender tips away a pass and another defender grabs the ball, who gets credit for the steal? Does it matter if it's clearly a purposeful tip? In other words, is there a difference between sticking your hand out and deflecting it vs. knocking the ball down the court to a streaking team mate who takes it in for a score?

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FYI - The tipper gets the steal as far as I know. Once tipped, the tipper has caused the team to "lose posession." That's my understanding anyway. I don't think I've every used "tipper" as much in one post.

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Re: I have a rule question...

Post by CameronBornAndBred » January 11th, 2010, 6:08 pm

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Re: I have a rule question...

Post by Jesus_hurley » January 11th, 2010, 11:19 pm

I wouldn't be surprised to find out that it frequently is left to the scorers discretion, regardless of the rules.

I hit up the infallible source, wikipedia:
Rebounds:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rebound_(basketball)
Team rebounds are credited to a team that gains possession of the ball after any missed shot that is not cleared by a single player (i.e. deflected out of bounds after the shot, blocked out of bounds, etc.). A team rebound is never credited to any player, and is generally considered to be a formality, as according to the rules of basketball, every missed shot must be rebounded whether a single player controls the ball or not.

Rebounds are credited to the first player that gains clear possession of the ball or to a player that successfully deflects the ball into the basket for a score.

Steals:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steal_(basketball)
a steal occurs when a defensive player legally gains control of the ball from an offensive player. This can be done by deflecting and controlling, catching, or batting (to a teammate) a pass or dribble of an offensive player.
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Re: I have a rule question...

Post by bjornolf » January 12th, 2010, 5:51 am

Jesus_hurley wrote:I wouldn't be surprised to find out that it frequently is left to the scorers discretion, regardless of the rules.

I hit up the infallible source, wikipedia:
Rebounds:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rebound_(basketball)
Team rebounds are credited to a team that gains possession of the ball after any missed shot that is not cleared by a single player (i.e. deflected out of bounds after the shot, blocked out of bounds, etc.). A team rebound is never credited to any player, and is generally considered to be a formality, as according to the rules of basketball, every missed shot must be rebounded whether a single player controls the ball or not.

Rebounds are credited to the first player that gains clear possession of the ball or to a player that successfully deflects the ball into the basket for a score.

Steals:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steal_(basketball)
a steal occurs when a defensive player legally gains control of the ball from an offensive player. This can be done by deflecting and controlling, catching, or batting (to a teammate) a pass or dribble of an offensive player.
That's what I guessed. So, the steal goes to the person who initially tipped it, while a rebound goes to the person who truly gains control.

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