The Job Search Thread

[lawgrad91]

I could have sworn I posted this a little while ago but now cannot find it. WTF? Well, I guess it goes to show how sick I am.

I have a second interview for a job on Tuesday morning but am sick as a dog right now. Seriously, I think I've caught the plague. Hopefully spending today and tomorrow in bed drugged up will help me get well enough to last for however long the interview lasts for. After that I can go to hell in a bucket for all I care.

Feel better soon, and ace the interview!

[DukieInKansas]

I could have sworn I posted this a little while ago but now cannot find it. WTF? Well, I guess it goes to show how sick I am.

I have a second interview for a job on Tuesday morning but am sick as a dog right now. Seriously, I think I've caught the plague. Hopefully spending today and tomorrow in bed drugged up will help me get well enough to last for however long the interview lasts for. After that I can go to hell in a bucket for all I care.

Feel better soon, and ace the interview!

What LG said! Healing and interviewing vibes from Kansas.

[Lavabe]

Power to colchar!!

[TillyGalore]

Healing and job vibes for you, Colchar!

[windsor]

Healing vibes...interview vibes....job vibes for everyone!

[ArkieDukie]

Healing and job vibes for you, Colchar!

What Tilly said.

[shereec]

Oh dear! Many healing vibes followed by interview-acing vibes!

[colchar]

Thanks folks.

The only medicine that seems to be helping with this plague makes me feel nauseated so I think I will go without it at the interview tomorrow. I'm planning about an hour's worth of prep for the interview today and then I will spend the rest of the day either on the couch or in bed so hopefully that rest will help me.

I'll keep you posted.

[windsor]

Prep, then rest..then apologize for being ill...and throw in a 'I am never sick..don't know what's going on..' kind of comment.

and

[CathyCA]

Healing vibes for you, Colchar!

[TillyGalore]

So, I have a little bit of a dilemma. The hiring manager apparently has a history of lying and taking credit for things others do. This is also apparently known by the powers, like the Program Director, who would participate in my annual review. The person who left this position and someone else I know who worked with the hiring manager have shared this with me.

The position is still a good fit for me, and would be a big boost for me in my career. What should I do if I'm offered this position? Or, if they want to contact my direct supervisor prior to officially offering me the position, what should I do?

[TillyGalore]

Vibes for ArkieDukie, who I believe is interviewing today.

[windsor]

So, I have a little bit of a dilemma. The hiring manager apparently has a history of lying and taking credit for things others do. This is also apparently known by the powers, like the Program Director, who would participate in my annual review. The person who left this position and someone else I know who worked with the hiring manager have shared this with me.

The position is still a good fit for me, and would be a big boost for me in my career. What should I do if I'm offered this position? Or, if they want to contact my direct supervisor prior to officially offering me the position, what should I do?

Forewarned is forearmed. If you already know that about your boss there are things you can do to end around…one of them is document document document (did I mention ‘document’ ???). Do absolutely everything you can in writing and copy yourself on every e-mail (you can blind copy). Whenever possible include some of your up chain in the cc list. You will need to do some soul searching to see if that is a trait you can live/work with. It happens to be my pet peeve and sends me screaming off the deep end. I don’t mind giving the team/group/department credit for something I did..but do not take it for yourself or I will tear off your head and spit in your neck. That is not someone I could work with BUT as a software developer and my design/ideas/concept are me currency so it is a little bit different for me. If it is known by the powers that is good…even better that someone in the know participates in your annual review. I would maintain a running journal of accomplishments/ideas through the year and what their disposition was so you have it at review time - also included any ROI generated by these ideas (and all of the pertinent documentation).
You may wish to think of this positon as a stepping stone to bigger things, and to that end the boss is just some slime mold on the stone. Manage it as best you can, do the best you can as you move forward with your career.

As for part 2 – contacting your direct supervisor. Is there someone directly above your supervisor who they can use, and if not someone above your supervisor (the higher up the better) who they can contact? If so when the want to contact your direct you tell them you would prefer it if they reached out to so-and-so, who is my supervisors director. Don’t offer an explanation unless asked. If pushed there have been “differences” between the two of you which you think might impact an objective assessment. Nothing more.

[ArkieDukie]

So, I have a little bit of a dilemma. The hiring manager apparently has a history of lying and taking credit for things others do. This is also apparently known by the powers, like the Program Director, who would participate in my annual review. The person who left this position and someone else I know who worked with the hiring manager have shared this with me.

The position is still a good fit for me, and would be a big boost for me in my career. What should I do if I'm offered this position? Or, if they want to contact my direct supervisor prior to officially offering me the position, what should I do?

Knowing this sort of thing ahead of time is good in that you will have the ability to deal with it proactively. In other words, document, document, document. I always seem to find out about these people after they've taken credit for my work. I would say to get everything in writing whenever possible. Also, Windsor, when would it be appropriate to copy the Program Director on emails?

(This would be a great topic for the WWWD thread.)

[ArkieDukie]

Windsor responded as I was responding! Looks like we think along the same lines.

[ArkieDukie]

Vibes for ArkieDukie, who I believe is interviewing today.

Thanks, Tilly! As it turns out, this trip was pretty much a formality. The position is pretty much a done deal.

[TillyGalore]

So, I have a little bit of a dilemma. The hiring manager apparently has a history of lying and taking credit for things others do. This is also apparently known by the powers, like the Program Director, who would participate in my annual review. The person who left this position and someone else I know who worked with the hiring manager have shared this with me.

The position is still a good fit for me, and would be a big boost for me in my career. What should I do if I'm offered this position? Or, if they want to contact my direct supervisor prior to officially offering me the position, what should I do?

Forewarned is forearmed. If you already know that about your boss there are things you can do to end around…one of them is document document document (did I mention ‘document’ ???). Do absolutely everything you can in writing and copy yourself on every e-mail (you can blind copy). Whenever possible include some of your up chain in the cc list. You will need to do some soul searching to see if that is a trait you can live/work with. It happens to be my pet peeve and sends me screaming off the deep end. I don’t mind giving the team/group/department credit for something I did..but do not take it for yourself or I will tear off your head and spit in your neck. That is not someone I could work with BUT as a software developer and my design/ideas/concept are me currency so it is a little bit different for me. If it is known by the powers that is good…even better that someone in the know participates in your annual review. I would maintain a running journal of accomplishments/ideas through the year and what their disposition was so you have it at review time - also included any ROI generated by these ideas (and all of the pertinent documentation).
You may wish to think of this positon as a stepping stone to bigger things, and to that end the boss is just some slime mold on the stone. Manage it as best you can, do the best you can as you move forward with your career.

As for part 2 – contacting your direct supervisor. Is there someone directly above your supervisor who they can use, and if not someone above your supervisor (the higher up the better) who they can contact? If so when the want to contact your direct you tell them you would prefer it if they reached out to so-and-so, who is my supervisors director. Don’t offer an explanation unless asked. If pushed there have been “differences” between the two of you which you think might impact an objective assessment. Nothing more.

Thank you, Windsor!

The part about contacting my supervisor was more about do I let them contact him knowing I may not take the job, or do I really need to make a decision before they contact my supervisor? I'm not worried about anything negative my supervisor might say, I just don't him contacted unless I'm really sure I'm going to leave my current job for the one I'm interviewing for.

The woman who left this position feels strongly that I can do the job and should take it if offered. I'm hesitating because I do not like it when people lie or take credit for other people's work.

[TillyGalore]

Vibes for ArkieDukie, who I believe is interviewing today.

Thanks, Tilly! As it turns out, this trip was pretty much a formality. The position is pretty much a done deal.

[windsor]

Thank you, Windsor!

The part about contacting my supervisor was more about do I let them contact him knowing I may not take the job, or do I really need to make a decision before they contact my supervisor? I'm not worried about anything negative my supervisor might say, I just don't him contacted unless I'm really sure I'm going to leave my current job for the one I'm interviewing for.

The woman who left this position feels strongly that I can do the job and should take it if offered. I'm hesitating because I do not like it when people lie or take credit for other people's work.

Ok, that is a different story. Without a formal offer they should not contact your supervisor. There is no harm in telling them that "it would jeopordize my current position if XYZ were aware I was looking at other opportunities"

[windsor]

Vibes for ArkieDukie, who I believe is interviewing today.

Thanks, Tilly! As it turns out, this trip was pretty much a formality. The position is pretty much a done deal.

Vibes continue until 'pretty much a done deal' turns in to 'IS a done deal'