Who is your favorite starship captain?

[CameronBornAndBred]

That's quite a list! But a couple of quibbles.

Would you quibble over a tribble?

[wilson]

That's quite a list! But a couple of quibbles.

Would you quibble over a tribble?

Vote for the tribbles if you want. But "a [tribble] don't pull your arms off if they lose."

[EarlJam]

Come on, how can you beat this guy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bx3S5mqvvig

Pfffffffffffffft! Picard. You really think anybody wants to f*ck with THIS guy?.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SK0cUNM ... re=channel

-EarlJam

P.S. Special effects are AWESOME!

[EarlJam]

Come on, how can you beat this guy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bx3S5mqvvig

Pfffffffffffffft! Picard. You really think anybody wants to f*ck with THIS guy?.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SK0cUNM ... re=channel

-EarlJam

P.S. Special effects are AWESOME!

LOL. Sorry to respond to my own post, but I just watched the video (from the link above). What an incredibly shitty scene! How did it make the final cut? I LOVE it! Those "hits" Kirk put on the Gorn at the beginning seem so strikingly powerful (um, no). Funny, classic stuff.

Okay, I must go to bed now.

-EarlJam

[CameronBornAndBred]

That's quite a list! But a couple of quibbles.

Would you quibble over a tribble?

Vote for the tribbles if you want. But "a [tribble] don't pull your arms off if they lose."

Don't piss off Chewie with weak fuzzy references.

[cl15876]

I...am...a...Shatner fan.

"Don't mess with the BIG deal."

Good call! I have always been also, but Picard would have been my next if Kirk started singing! ;)

[cl15876]

Come on, how can you beat this guy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bx3S5mqvvig

Oh no, now Picard is singing! . That was something! IMHO, Captains should only pilot ships and star craft and leave the singing to those better talented! ;)

[bjornolf]

I...am...a...Shatner fan.
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If it was ST captain voting only...it would be Kirk for me. He is the ST action hero, Picard is the drama captain. Janeway is the romantic (not because she is a woman, thank you, and all ST captains have a touch of romance.) Sisko got the shaft..or he shafted the role, I'm not sure. He was good, but the best roles on that show were Jake Sisko and Nog...they were the only ones left in that universe left with something to explore...xenopuberty.

What about Jonathan Archer? I liked him a lot. By ST chronology, he was the first. ;)

[bjornolf]

Since you only get 10 choices, and the ST choice is gonna get watered down against the rest of the ST choices, I say have a separate vote of just the ST choices, then put the winner up against the rest. That way, the ST winner doesn't get watered down, and there can be a few in the final vote that didn't get into your poll. And that way, you could even separate the two Kirks.

[knights68]

That is odd.... I posted a reply to this thread asking about Commander Adama (Lorne Greene or Edward James Olmos) but it never showed.

So with that I resubmit the question and also add....

Who came first.... Archer or Christopher Pike?
I kind of vote for Captain Pike as capt'n of the Enterprise, but in the Star Trek Universe, I would lean towards Captian Pike then Kirk (Shatners' Kirk).

Of course if you wanna talk sexiness, it's a tie between Dr. Crusher and Deanna Troi!

[OZZIE4DUKE]

Come on, how can you beat this guy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bx3S5mqvvig

Oh no, now Picard is singing! . That was something! IMHO, Captains should only pilot ships and star craft and leave the singing to those better talented! ;)

I enjoyed the heck out of this!

And just to clarify, Shatner's Kirk. Period.

[Miles]

I like Picard, I think he's a fine Starship Captain, but there are some debatable points here:
Jean Luc Picard for a few reasons:

101. Two Words: better voice.
No way. Uh uh. Shattner's opening monologue started it all.

97. Picard's ship is better than Kirk's -- better, faster, stronger.
Takes more skill to captain a worser, slower, weaker ship and kick as much as ass.

93. Kirk fought others himself, Picard has others do his fighting for him.
I prefer to fight my own battles, most REAL men do. ;-)

86. Two words: better actor.
Again, debatable. Boston Legal?

82. Picard's crew members sleep with one another on a regular basis.
Shatner slept with Joan Collins. Done.

81. Picard's crew gambles.
Kirk gambled with the crew's lives.

76. No sideburns. 'Nuff said.
I consider this a weakness.

75. Picard's first officer never seized control of the ship to transport a former captain anywhere.
Kirk's first officer > Picard's first officer

74. Despite the Borg incident, Picard is still welcome back at Starfleet HQ. Kirks name is an anathema to Starfleet HQ and alien races alike.
All the alien races hated Kirk cuz he was the best. See "Duke Hatred Tsunami"

68. Picard has never been demoted.
Kirks' demotion was from Admiral back to Captain, where he belonged.

67. Picard has never had his body taken over by a former lover.
Just the Borg.

66. Picard has never developed amnesia and thought he was an Indian.
Builds character!

65. Picard has never encountered aliens from wierd planets like "Zatar."
Lack of experience

63. Nobody ever back-slaps Picard.
And if they did, I don't think he could defend himself half as well as Kirk.

60. One word: Leadership.
WHAAAAAT? Do you imply that Kirk didn't have leadership?

59. Kirk is not a sex symbol. Never was, never will be.

40. Picard can actually make being bald, middle-aged, and scrawny look sexy & macho.
Unfair comparison: Kirk was never bald and scrawny.

39. Kirk sat alone in the middle of his bridge; Picard kept counselor Troi within easy reach and view at all times.
Just couldn't handle the stress.

36. Picard hired Whoopi Goldberg to work in his bar.
I consider this a foul ball, not a home run.

35. Picard is not afraid to mind-meld.
Of course not, he wasn't really a pioneer in this area. Takes guts to be the first Starship Captain to mind meld.

24. If Picard were a late-night talk-show host, he'd be Dick Cavett. If Kirk were a late-night host, he'd be Chevy Chase.
What's wrong with Chevy Chase?

22. Picard has never kissed a Romulan.
His loss.

21. Picard has never crashed in San Francisco bay in a pirated spacecraft.
Again, lack of experience.

17. Picard would never ATTEMPT hand-to-hand combat with a gorn.
You could've stopped your sentence at ATTEMPT. WEAK!

16. Picard would never have dropped the charges against Khan.
Kirk's a better man, he knew Khan was already living out the worst punishment.

[bjornolf]

Who came first.... Archer or Christopher Pike?

Um, Archer is the first captain of the first Enterprise before the federation even existed, right? Pike was the first captain of the U.S.S. Enterprise, a next gen starship, and was subsequently replaced by Kirk in both versions of the story.

I looked it up on Google: According to the Okuda chronology, the Jonathan Archer's adventures take place around 2150. The original Star Trek series takes place around 2260, a century or so later. We shouldn't forget about the REAL original, Zefram Cochrane. ;)

[windsor]

Zefram Cochrane. ;)

You have to love a guy who flies a)loaded and b) blasting Steppenwolf

[colchar]

Jean Luc Picard for a few reasons:

101. Two Words: better voice.
100. Picard's ship's counselor traded in her miniskirt for that great low-cut neckline.
99. Kirk fought over women. Picard had women fight over him.
98. Picard fires both photon torpedoes AND phasers at the same time when in battle.
97. Picard's ship is better than Kirk's -- better, faster, stronger.
96. Picard hates children -- Kirk once rescued a bunch of patricidal little maniacs, tried to console them, and almost lost his ship and crew in the process.
95. Picard was responsible for Beverly Crusher's husband dying, berated her son constantly in her presence, yet still manged to make her fall for him.
94. Though admittedly he's seldom a patron, Picard's ship actually has a BAR.
93. Kirk fought others himself, Picard has others do his fighting for him.
92. When nurse Chapel re-appeared as Troi's mother, she fell for Picard.
91. In seven years, Picard never developed a gut like Kirk's.
90. Picard was never killed by his first officer.
89. Picard's family made alchoholic beverages for a living.
88. Kirk kept losing security guards throughout each season; Picard has kept Worf for seven years.
87. No member of Picard's crew was EVER based on a member of the Monkees.
86. Two words: better actor.
85. Picard can do better impressions of his first officer.
84. Picard single-handedly saved the Federation, the Klingon Empire, and all of humanity while still a lowly captain.
83. Picard's a better musician than Kirk, while admittedly that's not saying much.
82. Picard's crew members sleep with one another on a regular basis.
81. Picard's crew gambles.
80. Picard's engine room has that neat warp coil that glows.
79. Picard's ship has better control panels instead of a series of Lite-Brite boards.
78. Picard would never star in a show like "T.J. Hooker."
77. Picard would never have allowed Charlie X aboard his ship.
76. No sideburns. 'Nuff said.
75. Picard's first officer never seized control of the ship to transport a former captain anywhere.
74. Despite the Borg incident, Picard is still welcome back at Starfleet HQ. Kirks name is an anathema to Starfleet HQ and alien races alike.
73. Picard never ordered his ship to self-destruct as a bluff; when he orders it to do so, he MEANS it.
72. Picard's ship was never taken over by its own computer and made to attack other Starfleet vessels.
71. Picard has never been made into a bad Filmation cartoon.
70. Picard was able to bring Denise Crosby back from the dead. Need we say more?
69. Picard infiltrated Romulus, posed as an intergalactic mercenary, and was tortured extensively after capture by the Cardassians -- and never broke a sweat.
68. Picard has never been demoted.
67. Picard has never had his body taken over by a former lover.
66. Picard has never developed amnesia and thought he was an Indian.
65. Picard has never encountered aliens from wierd planets like "Zatar."
64. Picard's quarters have a window.
63. Nobody ever back-slaps Picard.
62. Picard was never involved in any hokey shootouts at the OK corral.
61. Picard is a caffiene addict. (All that Earl Grey tea.)
60. One word: Leadership.
59. Kirk is not a sex symbol. Never was, never will be.
58. If Picard had a son, he wouldn't lose a fight to a Klingon whose commander was Christopher Lloyd.
57. Speaking of losing, Picard has never lost a first officer to a man who once made a career out of selling Chrysler Cordobas, either.
56. Picard would never be so stupid as to go rock climbing without equipment and rely on an overweight first officer with rocket boots to save him.
55. Picard would never stand for playing "Row Row Row your boat" around a campfire.
54. When Picard enters a room, people fall silent; when Kirk enters one, they keep on drinking.
53. Picard has that cool, futuristic artificial heart.
52. When Picard has an alternate reality experience, it's worth watching and caring about.
51. Picard never expects the impossible from his engineer.
50. When Klingons are aboard Picard's ship, they don't go rampaging about with 17th century weaponry.
49. Picard has more class than Kirk ever had.
48. If poor judgement were bricks, Kirk would be a housing project.
47. Picard had the chutzpah to admit when he screwed up instead of putting on a face which only made things worse.
46. Picard doesn't rely on the Organians to help him settle intergalactic squabbles.
45. Picard gets along with the aliens aboard his ship.
44. It's unlikely Picard ever contracted a sexually-transmitted disease.
43. One word: diagnostic (Never heard it on the old show.)
42. All that cool technical jargon (Also never heard on old show.)
41. Picard has hair on his chest.
40. Picard can actually make being bald, middle-aged, and scrawny look sexy & macho.
39. Kirk sat alone in the middle of his bridge; Picard kept counselor Troi within easy reach and view at all times.
38. Picard has never mutinied or had his crew mutiny against him.
37. When Picard gets drunk, he tracks mud all over the house and gets in a fight. When Kirk gets drunk, he passes out.
36. Picard hired Whoopi Goldberg to work in his bar.
35. Picard is not afraid to mind-meld.
34. Picard's ex kept his name even after the divorce; Kirk's kept it a secret even from her son.
33. Picard like solving mysteries; Kirk couldn't figure one out if he tried.
32. Picard has never messed up with the transporter.
31. Picard has never been bitten by a mugatto. Nor has he ever allowed shape-shifting salt vampires aboard his ship, either.
30. Picard has never aged prematurely.
29. Picard wasn't afraid to take on Satan.
28. Picard knows Gilgamesh & is able to recite it.
27. Picard argues with his captors while being tortured, Kirk merely screams in agony.
26. Picard never brought a woman back from the 20th Century only to have her blow him off in front of the entire Federation assembly.
25. When Picard talks, people listen.
24. If Picard were a late-night talk-show host, he'd be Dick Cavett. If Kirk were a late-night host, he'd be Chevy Chase.
23. NO ONE laughs when Picard's Doctor says, "He's dead, Jean-Luc."
22. Picard has never kissed a Romulan.
21. Picard has never crashed in San Francisco bay in a pirated spacecraft.
20. Picard would never have brought "Nomad" aboard his ship.
19. If Khan came aboard Picard's ship, Picard would have had the common sense to restrict what technical manuals he would've been allowed to review.
18. If Picard found a huge glowing sphere in the middle of outer space only to discover it was controlled by a child with an ugly puppet, he'd be ****ed.
17. Picard would never ATTEMPT hand-to-hand combat with a gorn.
16. Picard would never have dropped the charges against Khan.
15. Kirk actually tried to defend the idea of intergalactic war with the Klingons.
14. When Kirk went back in time, he frequently messed with history to suit his own ends.
13. Picard probably would have found the Galileo 7 in less time than it took Kirk.
12. Three words: Better costuiime variety.
11. Kirk tries, usually unsuccessfully, to respect other cultures. Picard tries, usually successfully, to get other cultures to respect him.
10. Kirk's occasional game of choice is 3-D chess, Picard's is poker.
9. "Picard" has more syllables than "Kirk."
8. Can't forget those neat collar insignias.
7. Picard's not afraid to deal with more advanced cultures & has done so on a number of occassions.
6. Picard's been on both Klingon birds-of-prey AND the heavy cruisers (and lived to tell about it).
5. When Picard goes undercover, he makes it look easy.
4. Though Picard has contempt for aliens like the Cardassians, he doesn't let it show.
3. Kirk wears boots -- Picard wears shoes. And as we all know, it's gotta be the shoes...
2. Assimilating has never been a problem for Picard.
1. Picard has never trashed Gene Roddenberry.
0. THERE ARE FOUR LIGHTS!!!!!!!!

I'm a Star Trek fan (Next Generation and Voyager) and know all the episodes but this post, mom, is one of the greatest expressions of Star Trek geekness that I have ever been honoured to witness. Leonard and Sheldon would be proud.

[knights68]

I like Picard, I think he's a fine Starship Captain, but there are some debatable points here:
Jean Luc Picard for a few reasons:

101. Two Words: better voice.
No way. Uh uh. Shattner's opening monologue started it all.

97. Picard's ship is better than Kirk's -- better, faster, stronger.
Takes more skill to captain a worser, slower, weaker ship and kick as much as ass.

93. Kirk fought others himself, Picard has others do his fighting for him.
I prefer to fight my own battles, most REAL men do. ;-)

86. Two words: better actor.
Again, debatable. Boston Legal?

82. Picard's crew members sleep with one another on a regular basis.
Shatner slept with Joan Collins. Done.

81. Picard's crew gambles.
Kirk gambled with the crew's lives.

76. No sideburns. 'Nuff said.
I consider this a weakness.

75. Picard's first officer never seized control of the ship to transport a former captain anywhere.
Kirk's first officer > Picard's first officer

74. Despite the Borg incident, Picard is still welcome back at Starfleet HQ. Kirks name is an anathema to Starfleet HQ and alien races alike.
All the alien races hated Kirk cuz he was the best. See "Duke Hatred Tsunami"

68. Picard has never been demoted.
Kirks' demotion was from Admiral back to Captain, where he belonged.

67. Picard has never had his body taken over by a former lover.
Just the Borg.

66. Picard has never developed amnesia and thought he was an Indian.
Builds character!

65. Picard has never encountered aliens from wierd planets like "Zatar."
Lack of experience

63. Nobody ever back-slaps Picard.
And if they did, I don't think he could defend himself half as well as Kirk.

60. One word: Leadership.
WHAAAAAT? Do you imply that Kirk didn't have leadership?

59. Kirk is not a sex symbol. Never was, never will be.

40. Picard can actually make being bald, middle-aged, and scrawny look sexy & macho.
Unfair comparison: Kirk was never bald and scrawny.

39. Kirk sat alone in the middle of his bridge; Picard kept counselor Troi within easy reach and view at all times.
Just couldn't handle the stress.

36. Picard hired Whoopi Goldberg to work in his bar.
I consider this a foul ball, not a home run.

35. Picard is not afraid to mind-meld.
Of course not, he wasn't really a pioneer in this area. Takes guts to be the first Starship Captain to mind meld.

24. If Picard were a late-night talk-show host, he'd be Dick Cavett. If Kirk were a late-night host, he'd be Chevy Chase.
What's wrong with Chevy Chase?

22. Picard has never kissed a Romulan.
His loss.

21. Picard has never crashed in San Francisco bay in a pirated spacecraft.
Again, lack of experience.

17. Picard would never ATTEMPT hand-to-hand combat with a gorn.
You could've stopped your sentence at ATTEMPT. WEAK!

16. Picard would never have dropped the charges against Khan.
Kirk's a better man, he knew Khan was already living out the worst punishment.

Dude, your listing is impressive but flawed. VERY flawed! I am at work at the moment so I cannot show you the error of your ways... lol, but I will be working on it today and get back with you this evening. I'll PM ya for your review and will leave it up to you to post publicly how you were wrong on many of these nice points!

[DukeUsul]

86. Two words: better actor.
Again, debatable. Boston Legal?

Intelligent people can quibble over many of these points, but not this one. This one is just not debatable. We're talking Royal Shakespeare Company here people.

[DukeUsul]

Who came first.... Archer or Christopher Pike?

Um, Archer is the first captain of the first Enterprise before the federation even existed, right? Pike was the first captain of the U.S.S. Enterprise, a next gen starship, and was subsequently replaced by Kirk in both versions of the story.

I looked it up on Google: According to the Okuda chronology, the Jonathan Archer's adventures take place around 2150. The original Star Trek series takes place around 2260, a century or so later. We shouldn't forget about the REAL original, Zefram Cochrane. ;)

Archer was weak. I never got his passion or ethos. I loved Bakula in Quantum Leap but he never did it for me as a starship captain. That didn't keep me from watching his show, though.

Pike was always really cool. And I loved that back in 1966 he had a female "Number One" in Majel Barrett.

In the immortal words of Captain Pike: "Booooop!"

[knights68]

86. Two words: better actor.
Again, debatable. Boston Legal?

Intelligent people can quibble over many of these points, but not this one. This one is just not debatable. We're talking Royal Shakespeare Company here people.

I gotta give the edge to Stewart:
Shatner:
Trained as a classical Shakespearean actor
performed at the Shakespearean Stratford Festival of Canada
Played a range of Shakespearean roles including:
Shakespeare's Henry V
Marlowe's Tamburlaine the Great.
Played Broadway

Trivia: Shatner was understudy to Christopher Plummer; the two would later star as adversaries in Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country.

Stewart:
Trained/Played in Manchester Library Theatre,
Member of the Royal Shakespeare Company
Associate Artist of the Royal Shakespeare Company
Appeared next to actors such as Ben Kingsley and Ian Richardson.
Brief role as Horatio, opposite Ian Richardson's Hamlet, in a performance of the gravedigger scence as part of episode six of Kenneth Clark's Civilisation television series.
Made his Broadway debut as Snout in Peter Brook's legendary production of A Midsummer Night's Dream
Joined the Royal National Theatre in the early 1980s
Life after Star Trek TNG:
(November 2003) Starring on Broadway as Davies in Harold Pinter's "The Caretaker".
(March 2005) Starred with Joshua Jackson in David Mamet's "A Life in the Theatre" in London.
(December 2005) Starred in 'A Christmas Carol' at the Albery Theatre, London
(October 2007) Played in Shakespeare's Macbeth in London's Gielgud Theatre seven times a week until 1st December 2007.
(March 2008) Played title role in Shakespeare's 'Macbeth' on Broadway at the Lyceum Theatre in New York City.
(February 2008) Played title role in Shakespeare's 'Macbeth' at the Brooklyn Academy of Music in New York.
(August 2008) Played in Hamlet, Stratford-upon-Avon

Trivia:
In episodes of "Star Trek: The Next Generation", when he got up, he had a habit of tugging on the uniform where it was creased. Jonathan Frakes jokingly called this the Picard Maneuver, and the name stuck.

[Miles]

86. Two words: better actor.
Again, debatable. Boston Legal?

Intelligent people can quibble over many of these points, but not this one. This one is just not debatable. We're talking Royal Shakespeare Company here people.

Point conceded.