A Question About Logical Fallacies

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A Question About Logical Fallacies

Post by colchar » June 6th, 2009, 11:46 am

I know next to nothing about logical fallacies (I stayed away from Philosophy courses) so I was wondering if someone here might be able to help me. I heard an argument today that I am certain is a logical fallacy of some kind but, as I said, I know little about them so, if I am right and this is a fallacy, can someone please tell me which one it is?

Here is the argument:
Drinking is not illegal. Driving is not illegal. Therefore drinking and driving should not be illegal.


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Re: A Question About Logical Fallacies

Post by CameronBornAndBred » June 6th, 2009, 11:56 am

colchar wrote: Drinking is not illegal. Driving is not illegal. Therefore drinking and driving should not be illegal.
Only a drunk person could find the logic in that.
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Re: A Question About Logical Fallacies

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Re: A Question About Logical Fallacies

Post by captmojo » June 6th, 2009, 1:19 pm

Never drink and drive.
You might run over a bump and spill your drink.

My friend told me his wife drove him to drink.
He lost his license and it was too far to walk to get to the liquor store.
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Re: A Question About Logical Fallacies

Post by bjornolf » June 6th, 2009, 9:14 pm

Reminds me of one of my favorite Toby Keith songs, "You ain't much fun since I quit drankin'".

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Re: A Question About Logical Fallacies

Post by DukieInKansas » June 7th, 2009, 7:10 pm

bjornolf wrote:Reminds me of one of my favorite Toby Keith songs, "You ain't much fun since I quit drankin'".

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Re: A Question About Logical Fallacies

Post by YmoBeThere » June 7th, 2009, 9:51 pm

colchar wrote:I know next to nothing about logical fallacies (I stayed away from Philosophy courses) so I was wondering if someone here might be able to help me. I heard an argument today that I am certain is a logical fallacy of some kind but, as I said, I know little about them so, if I am right and this is a fallacy, can someone please tell me which one it is?

Here is the argument:
Drinking is not illegal. Driving is not illegal. Therefore drinking and driving should not be illegal.


Thanks.
Drinking to excess is illegal in many places. Therefore, drinking and driving may be illegal. It may be called a fallacy of accident...but I don't really remember. The conclusion of the statement above is also conditional. So, that makes it difficult to assess.

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Re: A Question About Logical Fallacies

Post by bjornolf » June 8th, 2009, 7:45 am

There are a lot of ridiculous statements like that. And, as pointed out, drinking to excess, which is really what we're talking about with "drinking and driving" (even if excess is only a few drinks in the driving example), IS illegal. Hence the charge of "drunk in public", one of Ron White's favorites to talk about. ;)

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Re: A Question About Logical Fallacies

Post by Johnboy » June 8th, 2009, 2:58 pm

The fallacy of composition, is what we have here. I think. I could be wrong. Here's the entire list.

Example 7, though, seems to work:
Sodium is dangerous to humans.
Chloride is dangerous to humans.
Therefore, combinations of Sodium and Chloride are dangerous to humans.

We know that humans need (some) salt to live, so the argument is incorrect.

As pointed out above, it's also an overgeneralization. Not all drinking is legal, and not all driving is legal, in fact, one kind of driving that's not legal is driving after too much drinking (or, in North Carolina, after drinking AT ALL if you are under 21 - or is it 18?).
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Re: A Question About Logical Fallacies

Post by Johnboy » June 8th, 2009, 3:15 pm

BTW, my favorite fallacy is "post hoc ergo propter hoc" - which is what some parents of autistic children are engaging in when they blame the the autism on inoculations. "My kid seemed fine before the shots, so the shots must have caused the autism." Um, no. No it doesn't.


PS - I started this post as an edit, then got a phone call, then couldn't edit anymore. so this isn't blatant PWing.
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Re: A Question About Logical Fallacies

Post by Johnboy » June 8th, 2009, 3:16 pm

This is blatant PW'ing.
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Re: A Question About Logical Fallacies

Post by YmoBeThere » June 8th, 2009, 6:59 pm

Johnboy wrote:This is blatant PW'ing.
I don't think its discouraged at all.
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Re: A Question About Logical Fallacies

Post by Rolvix » June 10th, 2009, 11:17 pm

YmoBeThere wrote:
Johnboy wrote:This is blatant PW'ing.
I don't think its discouraged at all.
In fact, it seems to be encouraged!
You get little trophies underneath your name the more you do it :D
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Re: A Question About Logical Fallacies

Post by Rolvix » June 10th, 2009, 11:17 pm

Just kidding, I have 2. As of two posts ago I guess? :ugeek:
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